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Hey, what's up? That's me, Victoria Glam, the host of the GlamLIFE podcast. I've spoken on stages around the world, but this is where it actually started in a small town just like you. I bought this building, I built this business with my loving husband, and then I made a lot of really famous friends. And now I want to bring their expertise to you every week on the GlamLIFE podcast. Hi, welcome to the GlamLIFE podcast. My name is Victoria Roca. You might know me as Victoria Glam if you follow me over on Instagram, which you totally should. You can catch small excerpts of this podcast on my YouTube channel, which I will include in the description link. And then I will remember next week for our podcast. And you can watch the entire episode. You can watch the whole episode, including exclusive behind the scenes content and your very own after show, breaking down all of the exciting moments or really pivotal moments over at theglamlifepodcast. Com.
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It's free.
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You can see every episode that you want, and you can leave comments and questions. And often our guests will actually leave you links, whether that's to courses with them or their favorite recipe. I'm not even kidding. And you can get all that over at theglamlifepodcast. Com. Before we get into today's episode, I have a very exciting announcement to make. I am having my own conference this December. It's called The Christmas Conference, and it is 100 % a free conference. It costs you nothing. The only thing we're asking... Yes, I ask. It's a very small space because it's here at my studio. So I am asking for a cash deposit that is refunded when you actually walk in. That way, nobody reserves seats and then doesn't show up. And at the door, we would like you, as we are sending back your deposit, to give us a toy for Toys for Tots. The entire day benefits for Tots. What do you get in this one day conference? You get six speakers from literally around the world: UK, Europe, USA, all over the USA. You get six demonstrators. So people are actually going to show you how to do services.
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We have an amazing smoky eyeliner technique that actually heals brown, amazing. Also piercings, fine line tattoos, the whole shebang. All the stuff that's going to help you as the recession is getting worse to pad your books. So it all culminates in an evening of fun because we do have a gala that night, which is catered. So dinner is on us, and there will be dancing and cake. So why wouldn't you show up? You can also find links to that at theglamlifepodcast. Com today. Today is a historical day. I have my very first podcast guest. Up until now, it's been just you and This whole time. Just kicking it, chatting, me talking about shit that goes down in business or some of my students that I'm coaching, stuff that happens in their businesses. So anyway, it's been just the two of us this whole time, right? But now I was a guest on someone else's podcast, the very someone who is on today. And she mentioned to me, Why don't I come on your podcast? And I said, I've never had anyone on my podcast. And she said, I really want to be the first. So without much further ado, she really doesn't need that much of an introduction, but I will give you a few clues.
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So she is the OG. She is the first person who said, Yes, I will help you in your permanent makeup quest. She is the first person who said, You can watch me slaughter a needle together. She is the first person who said, Color theory is actually really, really mad important, and I'm only going to teach it live, even if that means sitting on a webinar camera for eight hours so that I can answer questions in person. You guys, live from Las Vegas, I am so proud to bring you Tarrin, darling.
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Hello.
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Hello, my friend.
[00:04:02.300] - Teryn Darling
Hi.
[00:04:02.680] - Victoria Glam
How are you? Good. Tarrin, welcome to the podcast.
[00:04:08.650] - Teryn Darling
Well, thank you. I'm glad to be here.
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We've been.
[00:04:12.810] - Teryn Darling
Hanging out a lot lately, Victoria.
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I know. Lucky me.
[00:04:16.540] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, I like it. I'm getting to know you and I like it.
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We're best friends now, basically. Well, I guess I'm your second bestie because I know who your best friend is and it's not me.
[00:04:25.080] - Teryn Darling
Who's my best friend? Katie Sconefield. I left her a very Instagram voicemail last night.
[00:04:32.680] - Victoria Glam
Oh, last night is spicy.
[00:04:34.640] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. And I told her a cute little bird dropped me a little nugget of info about the L. I. Pro team. Anyway.
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You guys, if you didn't know, which I'm pretty sure I mentioned in the intro, but actually this was Tarrin's idea. She told me that I should have guests on my podcast, and then she volunteered to be the first one.
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Did I volunteer? I thought I just gave you a little advice. It's true.
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I can't ever prove it because your file is corrupted. But you- Oh, yeah.
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That's.
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True. I'd love to come on your podcast. That's true. But I've never had any guess.
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Yeah, that file mysteriously ended up corrupted.
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Tarrin Marie, darling. You said back east. You're originally from Maine, right?
[00:05:18.840] - Teryn Darling
I am from Maine. Yeah, from Maine. And how.
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Did you end up in Las Vegas?
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Well, I followed my first love, my first girlfriend, really. But leading up to that, I always dreamed of a big life. I wanted a life that was bigger, bigger than myself, bigger than how I saw life being lived in Maine. I always dreamed of that, Victoria. When my first girlfriend's sister lived out in Las Vegas and my girlfriend wanted to go, I think we were only together about six months at the time, that first love, and it was my first girlfriend. How old were you at this point? Oh, my God. Well, that's not relevant.
[00:06:09.430] - Victoria Glam
It's a huge thing to move across the country.
[00:06:14.090] - Teryn Darling
It is. It is a big thing. Her sister was here and already had an apartment. We came out together and Las Vegas sounded very exciting to me. It was only supposed to be a pit stop. I really wanted to go to L. A. And get into the arts there. Yeah, doing something really creative there. But I ended up making really good friends here and they're still my friends today, like all these years later. So I built a really good community here around me. So here I am.
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Did she move back to Maine?
[00:06:43.670] - Teryn Darling
No, she stayed right out here until she passed away. She passed away only about three years ago, unexpectedly, in her sleep at a really young age. But we had stayed in contact, even though I think we were out here maybe two years and we broke up. We were young and foolish and a whole new crop of women, Victoria.
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No, we're all tiny.
[00:07:08.590] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. It didn't last, but we did stay friends and stay in contact right up until she passed away.
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Such a shame. What was life like back in Maine?
[00:07:22.260] - Teryn Darling
Life's a little bit slower in Maine. A little bit more, I guess, simplistic, I guess, in a way, if you will. I was just back there in June, me and Kat, and we were coming back from hanging out with my cousins. It was like nine o'clock at night on a Saturday night, mind you. We were super hungry and there wasn't a pizza joint, not a nothing, not a grocery store, not a nothing open at nine o'clock at night. And so in Vegas, everything's 24/7. So we can go get pizza at 3:00 in the morning. Yeah. So things shut down. People were in their homes a little bit earlier. It's coastal. I grew up in Maine. Maine can be very coastal and beach or it can be northern and woods and a little more rural and farming. So I grew up in the city part of Maine where it's super coastal. So yeah, I would just say a little bit slower, little things shut down a little bit earlier. Beautiful. People are warm and friendly. I love it. I love it. I feel like I got two homes, Vegas and Maine.
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High coastal with only one Coast.
[00:08:29.250] - Teryn Darling
Yeah.
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Your dad still lives there, right? Danny?
[00:08:32.880] - Teryn Darling
He does. Yeah, Dan, darling. How do you know that? What are you doing? Did you do a little background research on me?
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I called a cop that I used to sleep with, and I had to lift you up.
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That's funny. I might have slept with the same guy. I don't know. Was it a woman? Was it a female cop?
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Yes. How did you know?
[00:08:52.850] - Teryn Darling
Well, okay. No, I'm just a. That's funny. Yeah, Dan, darling.
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I did find out one other thing, and it's something you and I have in common.
[00:09:03.780] - Teryn Darling
Okay.
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You like to garden?
[00:09:08.300] - Teryn Darling
I do like to garden. Very much so. I feel like not that many people know.
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This about you.
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Yeah, I know, I do. I love to garden and I love planting flowers and playing with my flowers and pruning them and tending to all my rose bushes. I have a pretty good lot size, especially for Vegas. It's a third acre. So it's got lots of palm trees and rose bushes and plants and this and that. And I actually have a garden. And so I love it. I'm really a big nerd, to be quite honest with you. I like to be home when I'm not traveling and working. And I like to be home. I like to garden. I do a lot of laundry, a lot of irony. I'm really a big nerd, Victoria. I like that.
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When did you start gardening? I started this summer, so I'm super into it.
[00:09:57.720] - Teryn Darling
I started when I got my first house out here in Vegas many, many, many years ago. You get your first house. You just can't believe you accomplished that. What a goal, right? For any human. I had to work so hard for it, and I wasn't quite into PMU yet at that point.
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Oh, what have you been doing before?
[00:10:19.310] - Teryn Darling
I was a cocktail waitress. Okay, wow. Yes, I was on the strip. With the skirts? Yeah, girl, with the skirt, with the heels, with everything. Yeah, the whole nine yards. Yeah, that was me. There was a learning curve to the heels and the skirt and the whole nine yards. But believe you me, there was a transition period that was a little rough on me. But all the cocktail waitresses just they found it adorable and they helped me out. They gave me some pointers on how to walk in heels and they gave me some pointers with my makeup and all that good stuff.
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It's not a joke, though. That's a hard job. Serving in heels is hard.
[00:10:57.380] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, it is hard. It is really hard. I mean, thank God you're on copet because all the casinos are copet. Yeah. So your work walking on copet was making things a lot better. But when you're a tomboy and you're in sneakers and boots all your life, and then you got to put on a pair of heels and look cute doing it. I look smooth and cute doing it. It was a little rough at first, but I did get it and I ended up a really good cocktail waitress. Yeah, I got my first home and I just started really studying gardening and and this and that and how to tend to plants. And I find it to be very soothing, don't you? I get really bad anxiety. I have recycling thoughts. I've been open about this in the past, recycling thoughts and a mind that can drift and get a little crazy. So I find it very healing, very soothing, very meditative, very peaceful. It's very calming and healing for me. So I really enjoy it.
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Me too. Do you keep plants at the shop?
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No, no plants at the shop. So, hey, are we being like, is this just audio? Is this video too?
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It's.
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Video, too. Yeah. Oh, it's video too. Okay. All right. Got you. Put on my shirt for you and everything. And it changed. Yeah, I changed and everything.
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I think living in Las Vegas, you've probably seen your fair share of crazy stuff, whether it's crime or otherwise, just crazy stuff. But you were originally from a small town in Maine where they closed pizza even by 8:00 PM. When you move there, were you a little bit in shell shock? I mean, a lifestyle change even. Just start wearing high heel wearing, cocktail waitress.
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No, I wasn't in shock. I was in awe. Maybe an awe is the best word. I wasn't shell shocked. I transitioned pretty quick. I missed my family. I hit the ground running. I think we landed at 1:00 in the morning and we went into one of the casinos and gambled and had breakfast at 7:00 AM and didn't sleep for a while. I hit the road running. I think I was in awe. Finally, I was in a city with diversity, which felt really comfortable and wonderful to me because in Maine, especially back then, there wasn't a lot of diversity. Coming to a city where there was lots of diversity and there was a larger gay scene and there was a lot of different cultures and skin colors here, I was in awe with it all, and I loved it. I really, really loved it. I knew I belonged in a city with all the diverse culture and people. That felt good to me right away. Yeah, definitely in awe. I'm still in awe with this city. You said.
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Something to me on one of our podcasts that was just like an aside, just like a... I don't even know if you realized that you said it, but I was wondering what you meant by it. I was talking to you about being incredibly inclusive and welcoming in the permanent makeup community because really you were the first person who looked at this new wave of microbladers and everything and said, Yeah, let's figure this out together. Come on in, where other people have said no. And you said, I guess I can thank my dad for that, but I've always been really inclusive.
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What does that mean? Well, so it goes back... It does definitely go back to my dad. Maine was not a very diverse place. It wasn't a diversity. It was predominantly Caucasian, especially when my dad was growing up. But when my dad was about eight years old, a black family moved in on his street, right across the street. My nan and my dad and the whole family, they ended up the best of friends. Actually, the gentleman, Jimmy Johnson, who my dad was really good friends with, they were friends right up until Jimmy died. Early on, whereas I think a lot of people were not introduced to diversity or people of different races, I was. Then my dad, of course, went into the army. My dad has always been really liberal with his thinkingand socially and very inclusive, and he raised us that way. He would make us watch the news and he would make us watch the world news because he wanted his children to see the United States as it was as a whole with all the diversity, with culture and race and all these things, rather than just being exposed to what was in Maine at the time.
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Does that make sense? Yeah. Even with my sexuality, Victoria, even though back then it really wasn't okay to be gay, I'm my dad's only daughter, coming out to him, it was scary. Don't get me wrong. I think every gay person or a lot of gay people are scared to come out, even if their parents are loving. No, but he made me feel really super comfortable about it, so did my mom. My mom's this way, too. I guess I was just really lucky to be born in a family that exposed us to that and talked to us about race and religion and all these important... What do I want to call them? These important assets.
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Of human life?
[00:16:54.800] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, from a really young age. And then when I moved to Vegas, it's all here, right in front of me, all around me. I was aware of it, but I had never been really exposed to it.
[00:17:10.860] - Victoria Glam
You were exposed to more, so you were welcoming and accepting of more. I think that that has carried throughout your career as well, because that's the first thing that people who have been in the industry as long as I have, under 15 years, that's the first thing that we say when we think of Tarrin Darling. It's like, Oh, she was the first person who taught me. She's the first person who actually had a course that I understood that was worth something, not just trying to sell me a class or whatever, but real education. She was an OG, and she was so welcoming. That's the first thing people say about you, is just how welcoming you were. I guess that's why you had an open mind when microblading came around, when so many people didn't.
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Yeah. Well, first of all, that's really wonderful to hear, and it feels really good. I thank you for sharing that with me. I hope that's how people feel with me, Victoria. I hope that if nothing else, when I'm done this industry, I think when you get to where I'm at in my career, 22 years, you start thinking about your legacy. What do you... How do you really want this industry to feel about you? And most importantly, it was how I treated everybody, especially when they did nothing for me, could do nothing for me. Especially those were like, How did I treat them? I think besides being raised super open-minded in a family that was super open-minded, I'm full of flaws. Full of flaws. It just am and I don't want to be judged. I mean, I just don't want to be judged. Therefore, I judge no one. I've just never been a judgmental person. I want people to accept me with all my flaws and all my shit and love me and respect me. And I extend that to people and the industry as a whole.
[00:19:13.470] - Victoria Glam
It comes across that way. Thinking of those 22 years that you've been doing permanent makeup. Take me all the way to Eddie's shop. How did you end up there?
[00:19:24.230] - Teryn Darling
Eddie. Okay. So Eddie. So, Eddie Lynn, he's a tattooed guy. He started a tattoo when he was, like 16 years old and started his own shop in a really bad, not a great part of town, this tiny little shop. And new to Vegas wanted a tattoo, went to Eddie's shop, not knowing who he was, and got a tattoo and got a couple more little tattoos. I really liked him a lot. I really liked him a lot. We really vibed. We talked a lot. And then I started doing permanent makeup. Well, in the meantime, I'm sending him a lot of people, right? Like, anybody that wanted a tattoo, you got to go to Eddie Lynn over at The Skin Factory. He's great, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I get into permanent make- The Skin Factory, by.
[00:20:13.800] - Victoria Glam
The way, sounds like a crime documentary.
[00:20:16.850] - Teryn Darling
Yes, the Skin Factory. That's the name of his business. He has two locations here, and he has a location in Maui, right on Front Street. And unfortunately, it burnt. He lost his business with the fire in Lina. But he's doing good and hopefully he rebuilds out there. But he still has two shops here. But anyway, make a long story short, started doing permanent makeup. Not really happy the first maybe year or so seeing your eyebrows not healing the right color. I'm using a color that looks brown in the bottle, but a year later, they're orange or they're red, and it's freaking me out. I'm not really understanding why because there's really no color theory back then. There's no one to explain to me why. Yeah, right. I decided it's going to get into body tattooing because you don't really have to deal with that. I dove into Eddie's shop and I asked him if he'd apprentice me and he said, Yeah. I spent a little over 18 months at his shop, apprentices with him. At the time, he had a female apprentice in there, two, but one in particular that I really gravitated towards and felt close to.
[00:21:41.810] - Teryn Darling
She was about six months ahead of me and she was super talented. Then there were other artists in there and whatnot. It was like a community of artists in there, and I got to learn from all of them. Betty was a little old school. He made all his own needles. That's how all his apprentices started, including myself. I wasn't able to tattoo anything. You're the grunt of the shop. I had to make all his needles. I had to look in his book and see what he was doing. Was it portraits? Was it this? Was it that? Sit down and solde and make all his needles for the whole week. That got me really super interested in needles. That's when I learned, Oh, my gosh, there's this other whole array of needles out there that are not being taught in PMU. Back then in permanent makeup, it was the three and the five-round liner, and that was like it. That's all that was really being used or talked about or taught. But, Eddie exposed me to Shaders and mags, a single needle, all kinds of different needles. He moved a different way, Victoria, when tattoo artists were moving a different way than what I was taught to move to implant pigment.
[00:23:00.790] - Teryn Darling
I started moving closer to the way they moved. When I started changing up my needles and working more like a body tattoo artist for my permanent makeup work, immediately I noticed my results were better. My results were better. I was doing less touch-up work. Then I found L. I. Pigments.
[00:23:23.580] - Victoria Glam
How did that come to be?
[00:23:26.390] - Teryn Darling
Well, because I was bitching about the eyebrow colors turning color. I was really bitching about it. I'm like, Man, if this is just the way it is... Because there was quite a few people back then said, Well, that's the way it is. I'm like, Well, why? Why is this the way it is? I mean, someone needs to make me understand this because this doesn't happen with body tattoo pigments. I tattoo in red and that shit is red. I didn't understand it, Victoria, and I got to a point where this is not okay. If this is going to happen, then I cannot do permanent makeup because I can't face these clients. It's humiliating and I can't face these clients. It was actually Marjorie Grim. One day she's like, I'm going to send you a bottle of L. I. Pigments. I think this is going to change how you feel about permanent makeup. She sent me a bottle of Hazelnut. I started using it and probably for two years all I would do was Hazelnut. Hazelnut? Yes. I was monitoring it. I wanted to make sure age. In the meantime, and Marjorie had a small group of people using LI, and we were on an email chain where we were looking at each other's healed work, and I was not seeing color changes.
[00:24:39.110] - Teryn Darling
They were healing and aging very, very stable. I started introducing more of the LI colors until I ended up with about seven or eight colors. Then that was my color choice. They were reliable, they were stable, they did not turn color on me. That was my pigment choice. I just knew that was going to be my pigments probably the rest of my career and that's what happened.
[00:25:03.790] - Victoria Glam
How did you get to know their pigment lines so in-depth? How did you start working with them?
[00:25:09.350] - Teryn Darling
Well, they had a distributor at the time, and I think maybe she was getting a little bit older and they needed a new... Marge you mentioned they needed a new distributor. By then, I had been using LI by six years. I had never met LI or anybody there. Then LI reached out to me and Marge gave me a heads up that they thought they may be. That they may be. Like she threw my hat in Darlene's ear. Darlene called me one day and I said no at first. I declined the offer. I did not want to be a distributor. The reason I didn't and said no at first was because I was a prolific trainer at that time. I was traveling all over the United States. People were coming to my little room and I was training, training, training, training. Back then you did not- How did that start? It just started with someone email. It started with a conference. A conference. And I brought my hardcopy portfolio. You're like a photo album. Yeah. I know. Yeah. And people were looking at my work. And it started with one email. Can you come train with me?
[00:26:22.600] - Teryn Darling
And then she enjoyed my training. She told someone. I turned into a trainer and a very busy, busy trainer for years. But as a trainer, I used LY. I recommended LI. And I felt that if I became a... And... I felt if I became a distributor for a trainer, it was no longer going to feel or appear genuine or authentic that I truly believed in these pigments. I felt it was going to look like I was trying to make a buck.
[00:27:03.250] - Victoria Glam
Katie Spofield just said this.
[00:27:05.880] - Teryn Darling
Oh, seriously?
[00:27:07.150] - Victoria Glam
She just said this. That's so funny. Someone else approached Katie Spofield to be on their team or whatever for their pigments. And she said, I could train with their colors because that's what their idea is. She's a big trainer in the UK, and they wanted her to put them in their kids, whatever. She said, I could do that. Honestly, they're nice pigments, but I would feel like I was doing it just for the money. Honestly, it doesn't feel like an organic, pardon the pun, on organics and inorganics. But it doesn't feel like an organic move because that's not the colors that I use, and everyone knows that if they watch my only use LI. So it feels like it's just a money grab. It doesn't feel genuine.
[00:27:50.790] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. And there's a lot of money grab- But that.
[00:27:52.500] - Victoria Glam
Perception exists. It's not just you.
[00:27:54.660] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. And my situation was the same in that I didn't want my authenticity being questioned. They were pigments I was using six years by that point would never use another pigment. I believed in them.
[00:28:13.040] - Victoria Glam
But.
[00:28:14.210] - Teryn Darling
If I started selling them and making money off them, new students coming to train with me, are they still going to see me as authentic? Are they going to think that I'm talking about LI and teaching with LI and trying to get them on it now because I want to make a dollar? I knew all the students prior to that would not change their opinion. A lot of my prior students before LI, once LI asked me, they were really happy for me. They really wanted me to do it. I expressed my concerns to a lot of people because I was really super concerned about it. And then just with conversations with people in the industry and encouragement that no one knew this long better, that would be a great representation for them and a great trainer for them. I decided to do it. I did decide to do it. And I did it. Thank God you did.
[00:29:14.260] - Victoria Glam
Thank God you're back.
[00:29:15.380] - Teryn Darling
Yeah.
[00:29:18.310] - Victoria Glam
So if we're looking back 22 years ago all the way to today, what is something that you would change?
[00:29:29.130] - Teryn Darling
Something I would change? I think I would make my moves quicker.
[00:29:36.460] - Victoria Glam
Really?
[00:29:37.440] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, I think I'd make my moves quicker.
[00:29:39.390] - Victoria Glam
What did you wait too long for?
[00:29:43.720] - Teryn Darling
Lots of things. Lots of things. Yeah, lots of things. Lots of things. I don't know if I would change that I'm a perfectionist, and once I decide to move forward, it takes me too long because I'm putting... It has to be at such a high level. But I take too long to make decisions 100%. So starting my store, and look at being a distributor for LI, I said no at first, and then I let a gap go by. Then they called me again, and then I talked to Kat, and we finally decided to do it, launch in the store. That was my dream, was to have a store because all the stores and permanent makeup at that time, now, come on. They were selling permanent makeup, digital machines that were $20,000 and needles that were $5 and just these little gadget-type things. I was using none of those supplies. I was using machines made by tattoo manufacturers. I was using tattoo needles. I was using... Do you know what I mean? So creating a store. Lots of things. Lots of things. The color theory webinar, right?
[00:31:02.900] - Victoria Glam
That was such a game-changer, honestly.
[00:31:05.990] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. You know what? I didn't move quick on that because I was told no one would sit for hours on a computer and watch you talk about color theory. I was told that by a lot of people, even people close to me in the industry. No one, Tarrin, that is a one-person said this, That's a ridiculous idea, Tarrin. No one will sit in front of the computer and watch you talk about color theory for 6-8 hours. No one. That thought got in my mind and replayed and replayed and replayed and replayed. I half bought into it, Victoria, and I paced. I paced in my house. I paced and I think, and I think and I paced and I can imagine the class and imagine me speaking color theory. If I get so excited learning color theory when it's taught from a place of science and it's taught with passion and enthusiasm and even a little bit of humor, and that gets me all excited, why wouldn't that excite the industry? I got to the point where, Fuck it, I am just going to build this online class, this webinar, I'm going to launch it. They come if they don't, they don't.
[00:32:15.010] - Teryn Darling
Just about everybody in the industry came. I mean, that sucker, I was doing them once a week for years and years and years, live. That was a good lesson, too.
[00:32:29.120] - Victoria Glam
That was difficult saying like, Oh, can you be... Yeah, you can buy this class for hundreds of dollars, but you have to be here all eight hours because it's live only. There is no replay. That was tough. We made it work, though, and I did it twice. If someone had ever planted a seed of doubt in your mind, they were so far off base because people will make the sacrifice when it's worth the price.
[00:32:52.590] - Teryn Darling
Yes, 100%.
[00:32:53.330] - Victoria Glam
Without telling me who it was, that person who told you no, are they in this industry?
[00:32:58.720] - Teryn Darling
Yes.
[00:32:59.870] - Victoria Glam
Are they as big of a name as Tarrin, Darling, and Girls Inc?
[00:33:03.360] - Teryn Darling
Maybe at one point in their career.
[00:33:06.930] - Victoria Glam
There you go. They flipped through their fingers because they didn't adapt. You were forward thinking, and that person couldn't see the vision.
[00:33:15.250] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, I think you nailed it because I've always been forward thinking. I think that was a good lesson personally for me is, and for everybody listening to this podcast is it doesn't matter if people are telling you no left and right about a project or a dream or a business or anything that you want to do or launch or pursue. It can be your parents, it can be your family, it can be your closest colleagues. It doesn't matter. If you can't stop thinking about it and you're meant to do it and you just got to ignore the nose and you've got to do it, you just have to do it.
[00:33:59.180] - Victoria Glam
What is... What is one thing that you failed at in business that nobody knows about?
[00:34:06.760] - Teryn Darling
What's one thing I failed at? Think about it. Well, it's a good thing that... I have to think about that. It's a good thing that I have to think about that.
[00:34:16.850] - Victoria Glam
It's a good thing that I have- But everybody sees the things that you want at, and that's great for you. But I'm still here in my six by 9 room with one bed, praying for one client a week, and it feels like everything I try fails. What's one thing that I can relate to with your journey?
[00:34:32.260] - Teryn Darling
I don't think I've had one big failure, but I've had lots, probably thousands of small to moderate failures on the way to something big that did end up finally succeeding. I think my failures, these small to moderate failures that happened along the way. One was like launching my academy, because now the color theory course, it's on an academy, and you can record everything now and put it on an academy. But launching that at first, I chose the wrong platform at first, cost me a lot of money, filming the procedures. I went through three videographers and couldn't get... Yeah, that was a lot of money, couldn't get the quality of video that I wanted. A lot of mistakes, like a lot of mistakes like that. Trusting people. I've made a lot of mistakes trusting people, taking people for their word, doing contracts.
[00:35:38.980] - Victoria Glam
What was the worst? You don't have to say who it is, please. But what was the worst breakup you had in business? And what did you learn from that? Because I feel like that's such a common thing. Everybody goes into business with their sister or their best friend, they're going to share a lease. It never works out. Or they get into a partnership and there's no contract. It's always some drama. What's the number one thing you learned from your worst business breakup?
[00:35:58.930] - Teryn Darling
I haven't really had... I did have a business breakup.
[00:36:04.680] - Victoria Glam
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[00:36:33.810] - Teryn Darling
Early on in my career, and that stemmed out of, I think, jealousy. Do you know? I can still... Mm-hmm. And since then, I haven't had any business breakups. I have not. I do a lot with Mary Richardson, with Will Anthony and Monica Vani, Clarissa, Stephan, a lot of people. And I haven't had any business breakups. I really have to have been really, really lucky, but I am really selective. But that one business breakup that happened early on, we were close for a lot, a lot, a lot of years. But I was more, I guess, I don't know. She referred to me as being aggressive. I didn't really understand that, Victoria, because I've never thought of myself as aggressive. I've never had anybody use that adjective with me. But I was a go-getter. I was a go-getter. I wanted to make things happen. I was always testing the waters and whatnot. My careers started blossomoming, if you will. That bothered her. It bothered her.
[00:37:42.630] - Victoria Glam
A lot.
[00:37:43.330] - Teryn Darling
It got to the point where I would createrate like a class or something, and I would show her and I would get the comments like, Well, I should have thought of that. It ended up being unhealthy and ended up being toxic. I may have stayed in the relationship, but it was like Kat really was the one that saying, This has gotten really unhealthy, Taryn. You have to look at this as unhealthy. It's unhealthy. Because sometimes it's hard to leave a long term relationship or business relationship, right? Yeah. Yeah, so that was it. And what did I learn from it? I guess people are unpredictable. I guess people can change.
[00:38:21.130] - Victoria Glam
Tell us they can either propel you to compete and be your best self, or it can really just create bitterness. And once that turns sour, you're really not coming back from that. Because I'm not going to be less because you're upset.
[00:38:32.740] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. Well, that's what I was doing. That's what Kat saw with me, that I was downsizing and being less because I didn't want to offend. I didn't want to hurt her feelings. But yet inthe side of me, I was just dying. I was just dying to spread my wings and go explore the industry and just see what I was capable of.
[00:38:55.500] - Victoria Glam
She chose the wrong word. Aggressive is the wrong word. I would use either driven or ambitious.
[00:39:00.590] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, and that was probably much more accurate, but that wasn't the word chosen. It was aggressive.
[00:39:07.060] - Victoria Glam
She was coming from her.
[00:39:08.740] - Teryn Darling
Own place of the program. Yes, and there was hostility. She was feeling hostility towards me by this point. It was hurtful. By the way, I.
[00:39:21.260] - Victoria Glam
Know it was because everyone's first business breakup is hurtful. It feels like a real breakup, and it feels almost like losing a friend.
[00:39:29.080] - Teryn Darling
Yeah.
[00:39:29.370] - Victoria Glam
How did you and Kat first meet?
[00:39:33.660] - Teryn Darling
The lesbian community is not that big, even though I'm here in Vegas. There's a lesbian community, and there was a couple of sets of friends, cliques, and I was in one and she was in the other one. We both had girlfriends, and every once in a blue moon, I think we would cross paths at a party or something. But I didn't really even quite know her name. I think we said hi here and there. Then what ended up happening was I ended up single. She ended up single. Every now and then someone said, Yeah, well, do you know Kat? Do you know Kat? I'm like, no. Do you know Kat? No. I kept hearing this and people kept thinking you guys would be perfect together. Then finally one night at a party.
[00:40:23.040] - Victoria Glam
Well.
[00:40:23.720] - Teryn Darling
Lo and behold, I met Kat. I'm like, you're the cat. I go, I know who you are. Yeah, it was a karaoke party and- What.
[00:40:32.920] - Victoria Glam
Did you sing?
[00:40:34.290] - Teryn Darling
Oh, shit, girl. I did not sing. I did not sing. I did not sing. I will do a duet with people. I like to do-.
[00:40:41.270] - Victoria Glam
You and I will do Islands in the Stream. No, that's what I was going to say.
[00:40:44.050] - Teryn Darling
That's the one I like to do. That's the one I like to do.
[00:40:45.730] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, I'll do it with you.
[00:40:46.940] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, I like to do that one. I got to be Kenny, though.
[00:40:48.740] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, I was going to say I'll.
[00:40:49.560] - Teryn Darling
Be Dolly. Yeah, I always got to be the boy.
[00:40:51.540] - Victoria Glam
I don't know his.
[00:40:53.810] - Teryn Darling
Part as well. Yeah, and that was it. We met at that karaoke night, and I think within a couple of weeks we were like a really solid item. We just celebrated 20 years. Congratulations. Thank you so much.
[00:41:08.520] - Victoria Glam
Have you been married?
[00:41:09.830] - Teryn Darling
Well, we just legally got married. It was a year September, I think September ninth. Oh, really? Yeah. We were not legally married all these years, but we were together.
[00:41:19.280] - Victoria Glam
What many say let's do it now.
[00:41:21.460] - Teryn Darling
My accountant. Our accountant was like, You guys got to get married. I'm sorry. Well, there's protection in your financials and things you acquire over the years together. Or assets. Yeah, or assets with marriage. Although we had a living trust and so we did protect ourselves that way. Our accountant was really expressing the importance of taking the next step and protecting what we've built together with marriage. We did do that. You know what we did is we went downtown and we went to the court and we got our certificate and then we were driving around and I wanted to go get married by Elvis because I'm an Elvis freak. I thought that would be so dope. Let's go get married by Elvis. But it was 109 degrees that day. I was like, Yeah, we're not getting out. We found a drive-through. Yeah, I went through a drive-through. Yeah, it was like going through a car wash. We go into this drive-through and we're laughing so hard. We're like, This is so fucking cheesy. It is so cheesy. I love it. I love it. We get in there and then this little window opens and this 97-year-old man, Yeah.
[00:42:31.270] - Teryn Darling
Are you two here to get married? We're like, Yep. He's like, wonderful. He comes out and he does this whole marriage thing and yeah, man.
[00:42:41.530] - Victoria Glam
That is adorable.
[00:42:42.840] - Teryn Darling
Well, after like 20… We did do like a real wedding. We did many. I think we were together four years and we went to Hawaii and we got like a gay minister and we were on a beach right on the water. It was beautiful. We did our vows. We wrote our own vows. We did the whole ceremony, but it wasn't legal back then. Did you get proposed? Yes, I did. How did you have a love? If catwatches this, I might get myself into some trouble. Well, I did like a dude does. I got down on a knee.
[00:43:20.370] - Victoria Glam
Did you plan anything special? Did you take her to a special place?
[00:43:24.530] - Teryn Darling
No, I did it in the house we were rent. We were broke.
[00:43:27.120] - Victoria Glam
That's how I got proposed to. Christmas morning at the kitchen table, jams on.
[00:43:32.750] - Teryn Darling
Yes, it was not long after Christmas, and I went to Tiffany's and I could afford a silver band. It was pretty simplistic, but I thought becauseCat's very girly.
[00:43:46.640] - Victoria Glam
She's.
[00:43:47.210] - Teryn Darling
Very girly. I met her.
[00:43:48.350] - Victoria Glam
She's fun.
[00:43:49.580] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, and she's very pretty, and she was a little more sophisticated than I was. I'm this girl from Maine, and I didn't know art and good wine or jewelry. I didn't know any of that stuff, really. I wasn't educated in it, and it didn't cross my radar or didn't matter to me. But now I'm dating this really super smart, sophisticated, feminine woman who talks art and wine, and she's a foodie. I was like, Oh, my God. What did I get myself into? I'm feeling a little... Yeah. Her and I still talk about this every now and then. Actually, tonight's date night for us. We're going on... We have date nights. We have date night tonight. We'll probably talk about this tonight. But I felt a little...
[00:44:32.000] - Victoria Glam
What.
[00:44:33.330] - Teryn Darling
Do I say? I don't want to say like she was better than me, but out of my league. That's what I'm looking for. I thought maybe, Oh, man, I think I'm dating out of my league with this girl. But it all worked out great. I did go to Tiffany's because I wanted to impress her, and I got a band, very simplistic band, but I thought, Oh, it's in a blue box. That's all that matters to girls. The little blue box. I got down on one knee and I asked her and I was laughing. I couldn't stop laughing and she laughed. Actually, she said she made me do it again because I didn't do it right the first time. I was laughing too much. She said, You got to walk in the room and do it again. I'm like, Okay. I walked in the room and I did it again. I love that. Yeah. She said yes.
[00:45:19.090] - Victoria Glam
Are you a nervous laugher?
[00:45:21.810] - Teryn Darling
I am a nervous laugher. Probably more back then than I am now. I think back then, Victoria, I was definitely... I didn't have a lot of confidence. I was definitely more timid about myself and whatnot. I think meeting someone like Kat, who was very sure of herself and very confident in her helping me through that journey to feel that way about myself and in combination with permanent makeup, the industry coming into permanent makeup, having my own business, having to execute beautiful work to learn how to do, it made me responsible and have confidence as well. I met Kat and got into permanent makeup relatively the same, I think, within three years.
[00:46:09.910] - Victoria Glam
When did she enter the picture with Girls Inc?
[00:46:12.950] - Teryn Darling
With Girls Inc, maybe about... Yeah, we launched our store, it would be 12 years or 13 years this December. That's when she came in. That's when L. I. Asked me to be a distributor. That's when I finally said yes. That's what got Kat into the picture.
[00:46:29.060] - Victoria Glam
You told L. I, You have to walk out and do it again.
[00:46:31.280] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, well, Darlene called again and I said, Well, let me talk to my partner and I'll call you back. I paced, and I think and I think and I think. Then Kat came home and I'm talking to her about it. I'm like, I want to do this. I see this as an avenue of getting you out of the Venetian. At that point, she was a cocktail waitress for many years. Your tray arm, carrying those heavy trays, being on heels, the smoke. She wanted to- Oh.
[00:46:59.460] - Victoria Glam
I forgot. Memory unlocked. I forgot. People used to smoke in bars.
[00:47:03.330] - Teryn Darling
Yes, back then. We had talked about an avenue for her to get out. She had done esthetics in California. That was one thing that we talked about. But then I thought, Why couldn't this be her avenue out? We talked about it. We can start the store and it will be your baby. Because I don't really want to know who's buying and not buying because I don't want my... Clouded. I don't want to be clouded or polluted that way. I'm in the industry. We can generate revenue with the store and you can leave the Venetian. I called Darlene back and told her my plan and we did it. I think Kat worked another three years at the Venetian because it took about three years to get the store to be profitable. You earn and then you drop it right back into the store. You keep reinvesting the money to grow your store, grow your platform. It had to not just be profitable, but it had to be profitable and we had to be able to take a salary that was comparable to the salary Kat was making at the time.
[00:48:02.630] - Victoria Glam
Right.
[00:48:03.300] - Teryn Darling
And so that took about three years. Yeah, it took about three years. So once we got to that, then Kat quit the Venetian and we've been running Girls Inc ever since together. How did you.
[00:48:14.000] - Victoria Glam
Come up with the name Girls Inc?
[00:48:15.820] - Teryn Darling
Oh, man, that's a story. So when I first started, I was just doing permanent makeup and I was going back and forth between Girls Inc and Darling Faces.
[00:48:26.150] - Victoria Glam
You really picked the right one.
[00:48:28.230] - Teryn Darling
I know. Well, listen to this. No, you're going to die. I called my dad, and I'm like, Dad, I'm stuck. I got Girls Inc, or I got Darling Faces, and I don't know which one to go with. He's like, Oh, well, you got to go with Darling Faces. You'll be the first darling to be on the Wild World Web. You got to have the darling name on the Wild World Web, darling faces. And so that filled my heart, right? Now that's my dad. He still calls it the Wild World Web. He still has a flip phone from the 90s. Yeah, loses reception all the damn time. We talk every Sunday. I'm always yelling him, Dad, Jesus, you got to get a phone. They have flip phones now. Samsung has a brand new flip phone. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. So anyway, he's hysterical. I went with darling Faces, really to make my dad happy, right? Because he serves out. I went with darling Faces. But then I had guards made and everything. And then I learned how to body tattoo, and I was doing both. I was doing body tattooing and I was doing permanent makeup.
[00:49:28.170] - Teryn Darling
I'm like, Oh, darling faces. I'm like, Man. I'm beyond the face now. I'm tattooing the body. I'm going to be darling face and body. Darling face and body sound like that mall store. Yeah. Like the shopor something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I called my dad and I told him the bad news that I'm squashing darling faces and I'm going with Girls Inc. That was about three years into my career. Yeah, he wasn't really that happy about it, but I did it and Ben Girls Inc. Ever since.
[00:50:04.070] - Victoria Glam
Poor thing. Why don't you have an artist series yet for Pigments?
[00:50:10.000] - Teryn Darling
Well, it's funny you ask. I have a big, huge call with Darlene and Matias and Blanca, the chemist over at LI on Tuesday, because my eyeliner colors are done, I am coming out with... I did a lot of other people first, including Laura Cistefanya, and we have another really big, big name. I can't say who launching her Art of series in the upcoming months. All hers have been tested for the last four years. She's been testing hers. Oh, wow. Yes. Well, well, well, well tested. So it was time for me. I'm doing my own line. My eyeliner colors are done. Then my brow colors, I got six of them, and four are done, tested, approved, several healed results. I love them. Then two of them, I think I just need to tweak the tones a little bit and then they will be done as well. Yes, I am coming up with my own artist series. Thank you so much for asking. I appreciate that.
[00:51:12.030] - Victoria Glam
Is one of the colors named after me?
[00:51:14.830] - Teryn Darling
Bitch and Brown.
[00:51:16.540] - Victoria Glam
That's not it. Victoria and Lee.
[00:51:19.950] - Teryn Darling
That's one of my colors.
[00:51:21.890] - Victoria Glam
Did you know that Carla from Sculpted Beauty named one of her lip pigments.
[00:51:26.410] - Teryn Darling
After me? She did.
[00:51:28.310] - Victoria Glam
She did, yeah. What is it? It's called GLAM.
[00:51:30.760] - Teryn Darling
Glam. Oh, I love Carla.
[00:51:33.120] - Victoria Glam
Me too. I was talking to Rose Prieto recently. I saw her at WOLOP in Miami.
[00:51:39.280] - Teryn Darling
I love her. She'll be here in December.
[00:51:41.090] - Victoria Glam
Oh, really? What's she coming to do?
[00:51:42.450] - Teryn Darling
She's one of my favorite people. Well, I'm doing my last eyeliner class for the year, so she's going to come out and hang out with me. Yeah, so I'm super stoked and we're working on a project together. Well, she's got a class. It's not a secret. She's got a class that she's producing... I'm just saying it's just about done, so that's going to be on the academy. Yeah, I've known Rose for years and years and years and years.
[00:52:05.610] - Victoria Glam
She was the MCAP for WOLOB, which meant that she didn't stop speaking for the whole weekend, and it was her birthday. She lost her voice by the end of day one. She went from 8:00 a. M. Until midnight, and then she had to do it again the next day. I guess at some point we were running out of things to talk about, but we were chatting because just never stopped talking. We had a conversation where we said it's a little annoying that the gay community has taken to the word partner rather than husband or wife, because, of course, at first you weren't legally married, right?
[00:52:36.960] - Teryn Darling
Yeah.
[00:52:37.490] - Victoria Glam
But now in this business, it's very difficult for us to discern whether or not that is your partner or your partnerI want to know.
[00:52:45.950] - Teryn Darling
I don't think partner. Yeah, I say wife.
[00:52:47.890] - Victoria Glam
Rose killed me because she said, Can you imagine if they had chosen the word lover instead?
[00:52:53.730] - Teryn Darling
I know, but I.
[00:52:57.050] - Victoria Glam
Wonder why. People are lovers. This is my lover.
[00:52:58.840] - Teryn Darling
I wonder why. I don't want... I was the first lesbian to come out in the industry.
[00:53:03.210] - Victoria Glam
Yeah.
[00:53:03.880] - Teryn Darling
All those years ago. There was another lesbian. Well, I went to the SPCP. This was like 20 years ago, right? I roomed with somebody back then. We were all broke. I was just a young little broke artist, and I couldn't even afford my own hotel room. I was going to the SPCP conference, and they had a roommate pairing thing that they did. They would pair you with a roommate.
[00:53:23.880] - Victoria Glam
That's nice, I guess.
[00:53:25.020] - Teryn Darling
It might be.
[00:53:25.830] - Victoria Glam
A crime documentary.
[00:53:27.130] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. Get in there one in the morning, knock on the door, my roommate answers the door. I go in and we're chit-chatting a little bit. She's asking a little bit about myself. I'm like, Yeah, I got a honey. She was like, What's his name? Well, her name is Kat. She was like, Oh, you're gay. I'm like, Yeah. Are you cool with that? She goes, Yeah, no problems at all. It wasn't until maybe three, four months later in an email to me, she wrote to me, I'm gay. I'm like, Can I call you? She's like, Yeah. I called her. I go, Are you just coming out? She's like, No, I've been gay for many, many, many, many years. Does the industry know? Does anybody at the SP? Does anybody know? She goes, No, I've never told a soul. I'm like, Can I ask why? She goes, Well, let me ask you something. How did you get to be so comfortable and confident to where you can just be you? I asked you and you were just like, No, I'm gay. I'm with a woman. I'm like, I don't know. I think it was the way I was raised.
[00:54:41.130] - Teryn Darling
I left her. At that time, she was my girlfriend. That's how I introduced her and spoke of her and referred to her as she was my girlfriend. Now I refer to her as my wife. But yeah, she just didn't come out. She struggled with coming out to the industry for some time after that, but finally did. But yeah, no, I was the first one to come out and be the lesbian of the industry, which was good, normal, and there was a few instances that weren't normal and weren't good because of the times back then.
[00:55:18.570] - Victoria Glam
Somebody has to be first, and it's usually going to be the person who it was never an issue for her to begin with. So it sounds like whoever she was, she probably came from a background where it wasn't always okay.
[00:55:30.690] - Teryn Darling
Yeah. The thing that I got picked on the most for people would say to me is because I did a lot of breast work. I've been doing that all my whole career, and it was that. It was that. Being that I'm gay and I'm doing aeriala nipple tattooing on women. For some people, they saw that as like a conflict, which I couldn't wrap my brain around that or understand it, but it set with me so heavy it scared me that I that for many years, Victoria, I felt, and this was within the industry that that was said to me. That seed was planted in my head within the industry. With clients, I started telling clients, There's something that I have to tell you and that I'm gay. And what I found- You feel like you need to tell people. I needed to tell you because I'm handling a naked breast. But I.
[00:56:21.930] - Victoria Glam
Know that you're gay.
[00:56:23.780] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, but my clients would either say, Yeah, I know. Right. Or they wouldnot know and they would not know and they would say, And?
[00:56:32.410] - Victoria Glam
They.
[00:56:32.800] - Teryn Darling
Didn't care. The clients never cared. Never, never cared. That was never an issue. But I kept telling them just in case to protect myself. Like I got out on social media somehow, turns gay, and, Oh, my God, that's the girl that tattooed my breasts. I don't know. It was different back then.
[00:56:51.030] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, it really was a different world. Even 15 years ago, it was such a.
[00:56:54.700] - Teryn Darling
Different world. The average age was 45, entering permanent makeup. And it was very conservative, pageantry type women, if you will. It wasn't young, tattooed, pierce, artist type people getting into the industry. That was not the industry 20, 25 years ago. It was not. It was a very conservative industry and the leaders of the industry, especially here in the United States, were extremely conservative. Yes. Yes, so conservative that my first lecture, I was forbidden to show my tattoos or to say the word tattoo.
[00:57:31.720] - Victoria Glam
The first time I saw you lecture in person as your opener, you made a joke about being a lesbian, something to do with finger size.
[00:57:40.490] - Teryn Darling
I very well could have. I probably did. You're the teacher. I think I was rebellion towards all the restriction because I was gay. I mean, look, I have a class called Needle in the Prick. I was going to give that as a lecture. The conference owner, the lady who owned the organization at the time, forbid me to use that title. When I asked her, I said, I don't understand the needle and the prick. I mean, it's a needle. It pricks the skin. I thought it was pretty clever. Right. Yeah. And she's like, Well, you're playing off your lesbian thing. I'm like, Lesbian? What does a prick have to do with being a lesbian, first of all?
[00:58:17.660] - Victoria Glam
That's how Tarrin became a millionaire. That lawsuit alone was.
[00:58:21.160] - Teryn Darling
Just- Yeah, but no, that was said to me. A lot of things were said to me. You're a lesbian thing? Yeah, a lot of things like that, Victoria, were said to me over the years. But we're just sharing stories, right? I don't want to come across as a victim or anything like that. Some of them are hard lessons, but it is what it is. It was the times and thank God, as a community.
[00:58:47.730] - Victoria Glam
It seems like you put that on your back and made it your own mission. Like two words that I would use to describe you, getting to know you pretty well and having studied you, stalked you, if you will, I would say would be curious, lifelong curious. You have always been curious your whole life. If it interests you, you're going to find out more about it and you want to know everything about it.
[00:59:06.910] - Teryn Darling
I.
[00:59:08.070] - Victoria Glam
Think everybody would use that word for you, accepting or welcoming or some form of the word. I think even if you ever met a closed door, you probably just bowed to open another one for someone else. I really respect that. I like that.
[00:59:21.570] - Teryn Darling
Well, thank you very much. I think it's important and not just accepting of others, but of your own self. Of your own self. Absolutely. Yes, of who you are and not changing for anybody. I'm a gay woman. I say fuck sometimes. I can't help it. It's in my DNA. I'm this, I'm that, and the other. This is me. And I maybe different from a lot of people. I may be different from a lot of people. I may be a lot of like with some people, but this is me. I don't change who I am depending on who I'm in front of. This is me. I'm happier being me. I think everybody's happier when they can be them, when they can be their true, authentic, genuine self and navigate through life and their industry as their true.
[01:00:04.670] - Victoria Glam
Authentic self. You were first time going on stage. You were first time speaking somewhere.
[01:00:09.680] - Teryn Darling
I remember it vividly.
[01:00:11.070] - Victoria Glam
Tell me what it felt like, how it started, what it felt getting on the stage.
[01:00:15.770] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, it was scary, exciting, and thrilling, and enthralling, and everything I wanted all at the same time. My topic was a topic that I knew inside and out better than anyone at that time in PMU, in the entire world. I knew it. It was needles. It was needles. I had been making needles for so many years, and I understood the science and the artistry of needle. I understood it. When those two come together, the science and the artistry that techs bring, I knew what could be created. I was so excited. I knew my topic. I think that is the number one advice I give to young artists when they go to speak. Know your topic. Because if you don't know your topic, it shows on stage. It's killing. Know your topic through and through and believe in every word that you're saying up there 100%. Yeah, I was scared. I had the pterodactyls in my stomach. I didn't know if they would like me or not. I mean, all these things. It was my very first lecture. They told me, Don't show my tattoos and don't say the word tattoo. There was 270 people in my audience for my very first lecture.
[01:01:30.590] - Teryn Darling
In that moment, I had a decision to make. I didn't have a jacket, so someone gave me a jacket to wear, like a suit jacket. In that moment, do I conform? Do I wear a jacket and cover my tattoos? This is about 10 minutes before I'm going on stage. Oh, my God. Yeah. Kat just looked at me and she's like, Baby, don't do it. Don't do it. You'll regret it. You will regret it. She knew me. That first experience going on stage wouldn't have been the fabulous, amazing experience it was even all these years later if I had worn a jacket and if I had not said the word tattoo. I went on stage. Yes, I went on stage without the jacket. That's how I came up with the double cuff roll. Oh, really? Yeah, that's my that's my swag. That's my style. The shirts and I go to the tailor and they cut them in the double cuff roll. Yeah, to show the tattoos even more Victoria. I got on stage with all my tattoos showing and I said the word tattoo countless times. Back then, yes, and it was on Needles, and I knew my subject, and I would present it in a way that was interesting and entertaining.
[01:02:47.850] - Teryn Darling
And back then they would have sheets going around and you would mark your favorite speaker and blah, blah, and rank them. There was rankings and all that stuff. I got to go to best speaker for the whole conference. Yeah. Look, you're going to be nervous. There's no getting around that. You don't get nervous? Are you sure? Not even like-.
[01:03:06.350] - Victoria Glam
I don't get nervous on stage.
[01:03:08.280] - Teryn Darling
I don't. Once you're on there, what about leading up to going on the stage?
[01:03:12.180] - Victoria Glam
The lead up. No, I might feel like the second before my foot hits the stage oh, is everything going to go right? Are my slides going to be there? Am I.
[01:03:23.740] - Teryn Darling
Going to- Am I going to fall?
[01:03:25.130] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, yeah. Am I going to slip? But talking in front of people, people do not make me nervous. I could talk in front of 10 people, 10,000 people. I have spoken to a room with six people in it. I've spoken to a room with 250 people in it, and that doesn't really... It's more me. What am I going to do? Am I going to say the effort a bunch of times? Am I going to fall? Am I going to fart? What am I going to do? The only person that has ever made me sweat a little bit was the first time that I got on stage and I was giving a presentation, my very first one, 250 people in the room, in the back of the room in a pink long sleeve, I guess it's suit jacket, probably. It was Tarrin Doreling.
[01:04:06.620] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, that was me. That was your first lecture?
[01:04:10.340] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, that was my first time.
[01:04:11.350] - Teryn Darling
Really? Hey, and you know what? That pink jacket you described, that was fabulous. Was that not fabulous? Wasn't it? That was fabulous.
[01:04:17.320] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, it was perfect. It was absorbant as I was crying on it. I love that.
[01:04:20.860] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kat picked that on me. But look, I never would have known that was your first lecture. You were great.
[01:04:27.180] - Victoria Glam
You were great. I really knew my subject. Well, some.
[01:04:28.990] - Teryn Darling
People belong in front of people, right? They're just a natural. That's you. You got that personality, you're comfortable, and you're really smart, Victoria. You say a lot of really impactful, smart things. You're smart and you're funny and you're entertaining. You got a high energy level. Someone told me this one time, Your mind can only hold on to that anxiety and that nervousness for a couple of minutes.
[01:04:49.860] - Victoria Glam
And.
[01:04:50.460] - Teryn Darling
Then it leaves you, right?
[01:04:52.990] - Victoria Glam
Yeah, because you know what that is? It's fight or flight. And if you choose to stay and keep doing it, your body goes into fight mode, so it's adrenaline pumping through you. That's what leaves you as your adrenaline kicks in.
[01:05:03.620] - Teryn Darling
Exactly. Then you get comfortable and you get in your groove. The other advice I would give is try not to memorize her lecture. Know your topic and know where you want to lead in and what your bullet points are and what you want to say within those bullet points. But I think when people try to memorize their dialog, that can really mess them all up. You want to be able to ad-live and give analogies and be off the cuff because that's what makes a lecture more entertaining and more organic. Like, I find it very boring when someone's just reading off a PowerPoint, right? It's boring. Did you know.
[01:05:38.680] - Victoria Glam
T, did you know that my husband and I graduated on the exact same day from college, but he's two years older than me?
[01:05:45.830] - Teryn Darling
Really?
[01:05:46.760] - Victoria Glam
Because he refused two semesters in a row to take a public speaking class. He would take the class, he would sign up for it, he would go to class, and then when it was the time for him to actually do his first speech, he would quit.
[01:05:59.410] - Teryn Darling
Me. You're the flower, he's the gardener. Yeah. That's like with Kat and I, because I'm the person out. I'm the flower. She's the gardener. That's what she tells me because she won't public speak. She won't do any of that either. No way.
[01:06:13.180] - Victoria Glam
No way, Jose. Well, then our time is very short. But before we hop off.
[01:06:18.430] - Teryn Darling
How.
[01:06:18.870] - Victoria Glam
Can people reach out to you whether they want to take our amazing content class soon to come or if they are looking for training with you or services with you or coaching with you?
[01:06:29.630] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, sure. I'm an email person. Of course, there's Instagram, tat, GirlsInc, on Instagram, but I'm not really a big DMer, to be honest with you, on Instagram. I'm more of an emailer. But just info. I guess the easiest way would be info@girlzinc. Com and in the email title, if it's coaching with tarin, just put that whatever it is you're interested in with me or want to chat with me about, put that in the email title. Or this is for tyrn. And then the girls forward it to me. I have a smaller email that.
[01:06:58.910] - Victoria Glam
They funnel. Filter, yeah.
[01:07:00.720] - Teryn Darling
Yeah, we have like three or four different emails, like one for coaching, one for training, blah, blah, blah. So they filter them out and then I have access to all those. So that would be the best way. Nice.
[01:07:10.750] - Victoria Glam
Well, Taryn, thank you so much for taking time out on a Saturday evening for me. Yes. I've seen it so many times in one month.
[01:07:16.680] - Teryn Darling
I know. It's been a great month.
[01:07:19.820] - Victoria Glam
It has. We'll see you back here. You guys, I think it's going to be a hell of a season. I cannot believe that Taryn Darling stopped by. But I have a lot of more guests in store for you this season and some really cool stuff to come. Go on over to shopbrowcister. Com and support the ones who support us. This entire podcast would not exist without Browcister. Go and check out theglamlifepodcast. Com so that you can see exclusive behind-the-scenes footage as well as the after-show. There are some pictures of Taryn as a younger artist and of her very first room that she worked in, as well as photos from her wedding, and a very, very interesting discussion about her favorite serial killer. I'll see you back here next Monday. Bye. Have a good day.
