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Tina Davies: Welcome to the GLAMLIFE podcast, where we empower and inspire beauty professionals to take their careers to the next level. Your host, Victoria, is a certified business coach with over a decade of experience in the beauty industry, helping countless beauty professionals start and grow successful businesses. Now she's sharing her knowledge and expertise with you. Whether you're just starting out in the beauty industry or looking to take your business to new heights, this podcast is for you covering topics like community, management, branding, and much more. So join us on this journey to build the beauty business of your dreams.
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Victoria Racca: Good morning. Welcome to the GlamLife podcast. My name is Victoria Racca. You might know me as Victoria Glam if you follow me over on Instagram, which you totally should. You should also be following this podcast at the GlamLIFE podcast because today is day one of season four, which might be our biggest season ever because it is our biggest guest to date ever in the history of the GlamLive podcast. Welcome, please, to the podcast, Ms. Tina Davies.
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Tina Davies: Hello. Thank you so much. Hi, everybody. Thank you, Victoria, for having me here. When you reached out to me, I was like, Yeah, of course. I would love to chat with you and share with your community.
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Victoria Racca: This is a big pinch me moment for me because you were actually on my vision board for 2023. I was like, I have to get Tina on the GlamLIFE podcast. And I remember telling my friends that, and they're like, You'll be able to do it. For sure, you'll be able to do it. And I was like, No, you don't understand. It's Tina Davies. But if that was one of my biggest goals for 2023, what are we thinking is going to happen in 2024? My first prediction for 2024 is that I think by March, people who are struggling with clients are going to pick up a little bit. What are you thinking?
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Tina Davies: That is all predicated upon the Fed and interest rates. So who knows what they're doing with that? But they're already telegraphing like, Hey, there's going to be some cuts, which means that people aren't going to be so stretched. And that has impacted us the most in 2023. I'm sure you've read this, people are like, I've never been this slow before. I've been doing this for seven years. People are selling their stuff.
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Victoria Racca: They're quitting. Yeah, people are quitting. You're still taking clients, are you?
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Tina Davies: Well, I had a business in Toronto for 20 years.
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Victoria Racca: I built that.
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Tina Davies: I built it before social media and all this stuff, the go to old-fashioned way. Two years ago, we left Toronto because it was so incredibly strict with the COVID regulations. My kids were not in school. It really just came down to quality of life. I think for a lot of people, they reassessed what they wanted to do and where they were prioritizing themselves. I prioritized quality of life at that point. I decided to leave Toronto, be able to move somewhere, Florida, to put my kids in school. Because if the kids aren't happy and not functional, the parents cannot do anything.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah.
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Tina Davies: I'm a working mom, and it was so challenging for us. We left Toronto, moved to Southeast Florida. Then when I made that decision, I had to give up my business. It was really hard because I built that from scratch. I've got clients for 15, 20 years that I've seen 15 times. But I was like, You know what? I'm going to pass you guys off to others that can help you. When I moved to Florida, my choices were, Do I want to rebuild again? I love that part of the business. I love tattooing. It's my first love. I get to be an artist, be creative, make people happy. But to tattoo again, I'd have to rebuild that from scratch and decided to just focus on the product side. Okay, the product side I've been building now for nine years. So focused on the product side, I've got 20 team members and I didn't even know how I did it before, but I was tattooing. I was working on the product side, and I was also doing the mom thing. I'm there. I ended up doing three things poorly.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah.
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Tina Davies: So long story short, no, I'm not tattooing actively anymore, but I still tattoo to work on friends, family, models, especially when I have new products. I test them out and record results and whatnot. But I do have an amazing pro team and just people that I know in the industry that give me lots of feedback. And to be honest with you, they are better at it than me. They are just so much better. I've seen the industry like, Oh, wow, the art has leveled up in the past year massively.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah. I feel like all these people had so much time to practice when they were sitting around in 2020 that now they've put that into practice and they have their healed results to show after 2021 and '22. And we're starting to really see a resurgence of art in permanent artists.
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Tina Davies: I love the social media. You're able to see what people are doing in Thailand, what new techniques are in Russia. You're like, Whoa, that is mind-blowing. I'm going to go and just start doing that tomorrow. People try, right? But then all of a sudden you're doing these little pixel brows that you found out about just yesterday on Instagram.
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Victoria Racca: It's so funny. It's so true, though. I had a student come in for... I teach monthly fundamentals. I had a student come in for that class, and she was saying, Yeah, I'm going to finish this class. I have some cousins who live over in Russia. I was thinking, I'll go and stay with them. I'm going to bring this to Russia and blah, blah, blah. I was just thinking to myself like, Girl.
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Tina Davies: I.
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Victoria Racca: Don't mean to laugh at you, but you're going to go and teach Russians what you learned in this one fundamental school. Just give me a break. Have you opened Instagram? They're way better than us. They're way better than us. That really tickled me. I like what you said, though. I just want to step back for a second before we move on. I like what you said about if the kids aren't happy, then mom and dad can't focus on anything else. First of all, I think that a lot of us who are working moms found that in 2020. When we were all closed, we were like, How am I supposed to run a business and be a mom? And the kids are here full-time and the business is struggling. How am I supposed to do this?
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Tina Davies: Even like spring break, it's like, What are we going to do then for a week? They're pulling at my pants.
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Victoria Racca: We're doing it right now. We're closed. All the schools are closed for Christmas. We are closed. I came in just for you, which of course I would always do.
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Tina Davies: I just told my kids they're playing. I'm like, Do not bother mommy for one hour. Don't ask me for anything. Don't let the dog run around. Don't ask me for an iPad. No.
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Victoria Racca: Can you fix me a sandwich? I'm taking a bath. It's all the time. So I feel that. But you've always lived this life because your parents were entrepreneurs. So do you feel like this was just something that's just ingrained in who you are?
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Tina Davies: You know what? I fought it for a long time. Because, okay, I was raised by immigrant parents. My family always had. As immigrants, you come over to a country, you can't be like, Oh, here's my degree in such and such. They're like, Yeah, well, we have degrees here too, and you guys don't speak English. So immigrants are forced to make things work. They basically will open up little shops, little restaurants, things like that. So I came from an immigrant family, and after school and my summers were spent at the shop, whether it was a restaurant, a retail store. I grew up in a restaurant. I grew up in a jewelry store. I grew up that way. I thought to myself like, I don't want my kids to have that because they don't get to have a childhood. My childhood was at the shop. Summer was at the shop. I didn't know what summer camp is. I didn't even know that these programs for kids that they actually go and they spend a whole summer at a sleepaway camp? It's luxurious and expensive. My parents were saving yogurt cups like, Oh, Tina, what are you having for lunch?
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Tina Davies: You're having yogurt for lunch? No, I'm eating this mince pork that they think it's yogurt because they're saving every penny they have. I'm used to that mentality. At first I was embarrassed because like, Oh God, here we are again. I'm not going to do this fancy. I'm not going on ski trips with my family. I'm going to the shop. I fought it for a long time that I didn't want my kids to have that. I'd be putting them into the camps. I'd be doing these things called play dates. I didn't even know that kids need play dates. I would just play, go across the street and play.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah.
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Tina Davies: But modern day parenting is like you got to arrange play dates.
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Victoria Racca: That feels very California to me. We don't do that here. We just go across the street and our kids play with each other.
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Tina Davies: It's definitely a city thing.
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Victoria Racca: It's a city thing. Got to be.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, you have to arrange the dates and stuff like that. I fought it for a long time because I thought, okay, I don't want them to be like me where I had to spend my hours doing all these chores and tag along with my parents. So I did all these play dates. I put my kids in all these programs. And to be honest with you, they hated them. They hated to be scheduled all the time. They hated that- No, that's a real thing. -they were doing art class and then PMO and then soccer and all this stuff because I had to keep them busy. So I was like, You know what? Forget that. I'm just going to fold them into my business. And it turns out they love it much more. They're learning something. We're together. And the last time that I saw you at WOLOP, you met my daughter.
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Victoria Racca: Hey, what's up? Okay, ads are annoying, so I'm going to make this really quick. Did you know that The GLAMLIFE podcast now has its own Instagram page? At The GLAMLIFE podcast. Go check it out. Give us a follow.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. She was on the stage, she was around the booth. She loves it.
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Victoria Racca: I was thinking to myself when you first said I didn't want that for my kids. I was thinking, Well, something changed because that's how we met. So everyone listening, Tina and I actually met at Woolop because I was a vendor with Brow Sister. Tina was there as a judge and her daughter... You were a judge, right? Yeah. And her daughter, Brooke, was attracted, I think, just to my branding, because it's very pink, very fun looking. Barbie. Yeah. Listen, Brooke and Danny took up residence at my stand, and we all hung out for quite some time. Brooke knows more about business than I have ever learned in any class, from any mentor. Brooke was like, This is what I think you should do. Why don't you do like that? Brooke was bringing people to my stand saying, You have to try this numbing. It's the best numbing I've ever had. And at one point, did I tell you this? How she asked for a sample?
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Tina Davies: Oh, really? No, I.
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Victoria Racca: Don't know that. So she asked me. I had these cute little samples. They're maybe half an inch or an inch tall, and they have a cute little wrap around them. She said, Can I have one of your samples? And I said, Oh, sure. Wait. No, you can't, because I don't think I should give lidocaine to a miner. And Brooke said, Probably not. I said, Okay, well, sorry about that. She trots off to go and shoot her money gun or whatever. And she comes back a little while later and she said, Actually, can I have a sample? It's for my mom. And I said, No. And she said, No, it's really for my mom. It's not for me. It's for my mom. I said, Sweetie, that's worse. I can't give Tina Davies a sample of my numbing. Are you kidding? I'm having a hot flash. I don't even know your mom. She's like, Well, I'll bring her by. That's how Tina and I met. But I told you before we jumped on the call, my insurance calls and I get the sweats. So Tina Davies getting a sample of a product she didn't even ask for?
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Victoria Racca: Hell no. Absolutely not. But Brooke was like, It's just Tuesday. She was like, Yeah, sure, why wouldn't you? She knows so much about business, and she's so comfortable in that environment. And I asked her, Are you going to be a permanent makeup artist when you get older? I said, Is that what you want to do? You want to be like your mom and work in permanent makeup? And she said, No, I'll probably run a company. And I said, Yes, you probably will. You probably will.
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Tina Davies: She's already got it all hooked up where she's got a booth at PMU World Live.
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Victoria Racca: Oh!
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Tina Davies: Yes. And I'm like, Okay, great. Maybe I'll just tag along in your booth. I'll just work for you. What's she selling? She's got her branding established. She's got her inventory established. She's made all these bracelets. Okay.
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Victoria Racca: I thought for sure it would be slime because she was really pushing hard for me to incorporate slime into my branding. She was very certain I needed to put it in this one little area. You know that you have the little pop-up stands that go on your table. There's a little triangle empty space holding it up. I needed to have slime in there. She was certain about it. She was like, They have perfect ones in the gift shop here. So I just assumed she might be making slime or something. Maybe she wants.
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Tina Davies: To sell me something. I encourage their ideas. And if it doesn't work out, let's switch gears.
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Victoria Racca: Whatever. Hey, listen, at eight years old, she's eight or nine. How old is she?
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Tina Davies: Eight.
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Victoria Racca: At eight years old, you can have as many ideas, flop, as you want. You're still leagues ahead of me. So go off. Go. Good for you, Brooke. Absolutely. I had a million failed businesses, by the way. Before I started permanent makeup, I was... Well, obviously, I've talked about this at length, I was a dancer all through college. Then I had a job with my college degree, and that wasn't for me, a nonprofit, a trident name. I was a seamstress. I used to hem and take in dresses and that thing. I worked at a daycare. I'm missing a big one. Oh, I was a birth coach. I was a doula. I attended 11 births, 12 babies. One was twins, all boys. I was very certain God was saving all the girls for me. I was going to nothing but daughters. And just every time I get pregnant, penises, penises everywhere. I'm not.
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Tina Davies: Supposed to be pregnant with it. It's a boy.
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Victoria Racca: Over and over and over. I've been pregnant four times. I have two sons, but it was a boy every time, fairly certain. I just feel like every time that I failed in business, I learned something about that business. I learned something from that business, from that failure. And that's why I've been able to do things pretty quickly on a trajectory of opening up a new business. Even with Permanent Makeup, I stumbled a few times before finding my footing with that. And then when I started Brow Sister, I had two or three stumbles there. You have a massive company, so you've done this on a gigantic international scale. Did it start that way? Did it start off like, Oh, we're going to be really popular. We're going to be really famous for taking this international?
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Tina Davies: No, it started literally. I went to a conference in Florida, Nuvau Contour. I don't even know if you've heard of this. Yeah. You know this brand?
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Victoria Racca: Yeah, the machine. Okay, this is... Have the machine.
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Tina Davies: This is OG brand. I went to a conference. There was a man doing a demonstration there, and he was able to make hairstrokes on eyebrow with a needle on a stick, like a wooden stick. I was floored because I had never seen that. I had been doing eyebrows at that time for like, I don't know, almost a decade with a machine and a needle. But he was like, he just drew it like this and he cut them into the skin. This is something called embroiderry. I don't know if you heard it. It's called embroiderry from China. I was like, Wow, I was so floored. I was like, This is the next best thing since sliced bread. I decided that, Hey, you know what? I want to team up with my mentor, Linda Dixon, who is the founder of all the most popular anesthetics, tag 45, ultra duration and whatnot. We said, Hey, let's teach a class on how to do this because this is so cool. Then so I started to look at the little needle on a stick and this is a really small needle set. I'm like, You know what? Why don't I just call it a micro blade?
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Tina Davies: Then we'll teach a microblading class. That's how I started with the concept of micro… But I didn't like the tool. It was like in this odd packaging, like smushed up paper and you had to assemble it together. It didn't seem like the type of professional product I would use because at that point, I was established professional, so I would feel a little hesitant about using it, but whatever. It is a cool new technique I want to try it. We taught two classes, 60 people attended. Sheila Bell was there as well. There's a lot of people that we know nowadays, well-known people that started with microblading. And that's like, microblading really blew up. Permanent makeup before was a weird, maybe I want to say like senior citizen type of service. So we didn't look that good. It looked like new eyebrows and whatnot. So microblading was the first new permanent makeup service like, Oh, you can feather your eyebrows. It looks so natural. And it really blew up in the media. And so it was like the perfect jump-off point for permanent makeup because of the media. And I decided, You know what? I don't like the tools.
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Tina Davies: I'm going to make a better... I'm going to make a tool. I'm going to make a micro blade, a disposable micro blade that you're not reusing handles and whatnot, and they look like weird little craft handles. So that's how I started. It was literally an idea from maybe, maybe I can make some of this stuff and maybe somebody like me wants it because it was such a new service at the time, so new. I didn't even suspect that it would even get accepted, but it blew up. And so I had the first disposable micro blade in the market and I had many different sizes, and the sizes just came from what I thought that I would need to execute thin, thick, different size eyebrows. It was my first foray, and I remember we had 300 of them, and I introduced it at a show and I literally just had… Brooke. Brooke was three months old. Now I look back, I'm like, What am I thinking? Who at Pregnant and Matley would think about developing a product line? That was 10 years ago, but it booed up and we could not keep them in stock, and so I just kept going with it.
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Tina Davies: I'm a person of lots of ideas because I grew up in my immigrant family's jewelry store. We made everything by hand. We resold a lot of jewelry as well, let's say, ready-made earrings, but we did lots of custom pieces. I've always been I like to make things, design things and whatnot. Designing things comes really naturally to me, and that's my creative part. I'll make my own clothes, I'll make my own things around the house. I like to make things. It came really naturally to me. Then I just started making more and more products.
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Victoria Racca: That's exciting. How did the partnership with Perma Blend come about? Did they just approach you? Or did you already have an idea that you wanted to start doing the I Love ink series? Did you already have an idea for that?
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Tina Davies: Yeah, at that point, I was five years into Tina Davies. So we had a lot of game-changing products. But one thing that was always a huge problem was the pigments. Because the pigments, for an artist, you can do great work, but if the color is changing, it looks like your work is crap.
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Victoria Racca: I.
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Tina Davies: Had a lot of pink eyebrows, salmon eyebrows, green eyebrows, purple eyebrows. I had clients literally with different colors because I had done them multiple times with different brands. And they age and they look like they're they're to do to fix this. I mean, It want to fix this. I'm not saying you need to fix this, but I'd love to fix this with a new product. However, if I look in my industry, everything I've ever used has failed me. I need to look outside of my industry. There's some gatekeeping, there's just not enough information.
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Victoria Racca: There's so much gatekeeping. There's so much gatekeeping.
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Tina Davies: A lot of gatekeeping. And it was just that the industry was not mature enough in pigments. The people that are formulating it and that are selling it are two different people or two different entities. So there's not education to teach people how to use it. So you're just using brown that your trainer gave you light brown, medium brown, dark brown, black. That's the one you used. Later you're like, Oh, my God, I got pink eyebrows. What do I do? You don't know. When you ask your manufacturer, they're like, Never heard of this problem. You're like, No, I've got a hundred cases. There is a problem. I decided to look outside of my industry and had a colleague that had the same problem. She had 200 cases of green eyebrows.
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Victoria Racca: I had 200.
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Tina Davies: Cases of green eyebrows.
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Victoria Racca: Okay, all right.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, she's an industry vet and she's like - I'm.
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Victoria Racca: Going to digest that.
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Victoria Racca: Two hundred.
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Tina Davies: Two hundred. She had so much anxiety, she was stressed out. The same, but I didn't have 200 cases. I had some here and there, some salmon brows, and it was just very frustrating because if you're charging, I'm charging $900. I can't have clients having pink eyebrows. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot more. I was like, Okay, finally I'm going to do something about this. She said, Tina, I am starting to use tattoo ink. I bought this brand called World Famous and a tattoo and I'm using tattoo ink to cover up the green eyebrows. Me and her were like, Oh, my God, tattoo ink. We were told always by permanent makeup companies never to use tattoo ink. It would cause cancer. You call them and they don't support you. They tell you, Ed, don't call us. We don't use it around the eye. So there is a lot of get keeping from the tattoo industry side that they didn't want you to use their inks. They didn't want you to use their products. But she's like, Look, I'm so desperate. I'm going to try it. And Tina, you should try it too.
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Tina Davies: So we bought all these world famous inks.
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Victoria Racca: Aren't they? Permabland? Yes.
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Tina Davies: World famous is the parent company of PermaBland for people that don't know that. Okay, so she started buying it and then it's like, Okay, you know what? Let me reach out to the owner. I'm a really go to the top person. Yeah, very Christian. I just want to know. I'll be like, Hey, what are you doing? What's going on? Tell me all about it. I'm a phone person. I'm not like a text person because I didn't have a live conversation. So I called up Lou. I'm like, Lou, hey, I'm Tina. You probably don't know me. I represent Permanent Makeup. This is my industry. Tell me about your stuff. I asked them 20 million questions and he's just like, Girl, come to my tattoo show. I showed up there. There was 300 booths of artists tattooing. I asked them a lot of questions like, Hey, does that fade? Tell me about this color. The artist would look at me like I've got two heads. What do you mean does it fade? Does it change color? No, I give a tattoo of a dragon. It stays like this. People suffer for hours. I don't tell them to come up every year for a touchup.
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Victoria Racca: People suffer for hours?
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Tina Davies: Yeah, they have to go through the tattoo process. So their inks don't change color. They're extremely stable with -.
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Victoria Racca: Not with brow sister.
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Tina Davies: Really? What's up?
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Victoria Racca: I said not with brow sister because numbing.
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Tina Davies: Oh, yeah, the numbing. Just joking. Yeah, but for body tattoo artists, I mean, these are the OG ink slayers.
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Victoria Racca: Listen, that.
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Tina Davies: Pain is a - They don't make lines. They make...
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Victoria Racca: That is a badge for them. They love that. I've seen... What's that white and black brand, tattoo numbing, something or other? I see it on my Facebook news feed. Madrabbit? What is it called?
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Tina Davies: Madrabbit?
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Victoria Racca: No, it literally says tattoo numbing or numbing tattoo. It's almost diagnostic, but that's their brand name. The comments are a bunch of people who get tattoos regularly saying, What pussies need this? Who wants to numb for a tattoo? I can imagine these people when you walk in and say, Does the shade, does it change color? I can imagine- What are you using?
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Tina Davies: You sound like something.
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Victoria Racca: That is like- You're talking about like you're insulting them.
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Tina Davies: Exactly. Exactly. You didn't get nervous? No.
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Victoria Racca: Unshakeable, Tina Davies.
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Tina Davies: Wait, can I interrupt.
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Victoria Racca: You real quick and tell a quick anecdote that I don't know if you remember or not? I'm sure you do. Do you remember when I sexually harassed you at Woolah?
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Tina Davies: No idea. I don't remember last week. What happened? I got.
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Victoria Racca: Very drunk at the after-party. And very quickly because I don't drink. And Lindsay and Jordan, who hang out with Danny all the time, I do not... Mishiana, how do you pronounce their company?
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Tina Davies: Misciana. Michigan, Indiana, misciana.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah. So she was sitting behind me, and she actually videoed me and put it on her story. And she was like, This is what happens when you let moms out the house, out the kids. I'm like dancing in my seat. I'm drunk, whatever. So they finished their little awards program. You get this, you get that, whatever. That's a very small portion of it, maybe 20, 30 minutes. And then everybody lines up to come and take pictures at the big photo booth, which is right next to my table. And one of the organizers of the event, I don't remember which one it was, set her drink down very casually, like I wasn't even there. She set her drink down in front of me and ran off to take a picture. I downed her drink, and my husband was like, You just stole her drink. I said, Yeah, let's get out of here. So I set her drink back down. I think she noticed. I think she turned around and saw. And as we were running out, I was like, Better cause of distraction. So I slapped you on the ass and you jumped in the air.
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Tina Davies: What did I do?
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Victoria Racca: You just did like that. I ran out of the room laughing so loud the whole way to my room. And I was like, Who do I think I am? I just grabbed Tina Davies' ass.
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Tina Davies: Well, you know what? I don't even remember that. Maybe I had some drinks.
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Victoria Racca: Sorry about that, Tina. But yeah, you are unshakeable.
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Tina Davies: You must have been upset at that at all because I didn't even remember. And if you did that, I would just laugh.
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Victoria Racca: To be honest with you. Nerves of steel. This lady is unshakable. I fleeced her, and she was just like meh.
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Tina Davies: I'm a lot older than you.
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Victoria Racca: Well, not by much. But okay, so back to your story that I rudely interrupted. You went to this tattoo convention and you're asking people R&D, right? Does this fade? Does it change color? How does it go? And they're telling you like, You have three heads. What are you talking about? Of course, it doesn't. Go.
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Tina Davies: Okay, so then I'm like, Okay, this is what the industry needs. We need colors that stay in without fading out a year, changing color. We need products that are transparent too, right? Transparent with their ingredients.
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Victoria Racca: They're.
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Tina Davies: Certified and whatnot, and mass market. They have mass market acceptance. So if tattoo artists are using it, this is probably going to be good enough, okay? I don't want to work with or use products that are from some private label, some brand. I don't even know what they are. I said to Louis, I said, Lou, will you make me a line for permanent makeup? And he's like, sure, no problem. I was shocked because he was the first tattoo company that I was able to talk to that didn't just hang up the phone. Before there was a lot of gay people going, no, go away. Don't ask us these stupid questions. You guys don't know what you're doing. You guys make little lines. We make murals. He was like, Yeah, no problem. Just send me over your list of requirements and I'll work on it for you. That's how it started. We just really worked so good together hand in hand. He's an entrepreneur, he's very visionary. He believes in breaking the mold, which is what I believe in as well. If it's not working, we had to switch gears. That's how it started. Permabland at the time was like, no one ever heard of PermaBland.
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Tina Davies: So together, I had to work with him to tell a story to introduce it to the permanent makeup market because I'm not Tina Davies, the pigment maker, but let me leverage their expertise to then bring something better to the market. Again, people were just really surprised because they never had inks that performed that well in the skin. That's crazy. That was a huge game-changer for the whole industry.
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Victoria Racca: So you invented the term microblading. You popularized the tool itself and the technique. You taught some of the first people in the industry who then became like the OGs of microblading. And you inspired, if not, demanded that PermaBlend be created. The industry owes Tina Davies so much more than they even realize, I think. Why don't you talk about this more often? Browessister. Com and use code GLAMLIF20 for 20 % off of anything you'd like to purchase there and keep this podcast going. And that's exactly what we're going to do and jump right back into today's episode right now.
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Tina Davies: I've talked about it in the past, but I think not everyone gets... There's so many messages nowadays. You don't know where to get your information from.
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Victoria Racca: It was very hard to find any info on you. So I usually research guests pretty well before I have them on. It was very difficult to find true interviews about Tina, the person, more than just, Hey, these are Tina Davies, pro team. These are her products. This is how you use her products. This is where you can meet her at this event or whatever. Your marketing is on point. But the actual Tina the person was very... I don't know your middle name. It was very hard for me to even find out your husband's name, which not to be a stalker, but just anything about you. I wanted to make sure I didn't just ask you questions that you were like, Everyone knows this. You know what I mean? Yeah, I've.
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Tina Davies: Got to share that more. I think this is because I shared it a lot in the past, but then it's not current. And people think that Tina Davies is like a brand. They don't actually know it's a person. Yeah. I'm just an artist just like you guys. I might not be tattooing every day anymore, but I'm literally... I'm your brow sister.
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Victoria Racca: Calm down. Calm down. Trademarked. Actually, I knew that you were a person from the beginning because my very first class that I ever took was with my friend Lisa Fast, who's out in Houston. She owns Dermadeva something. Dermadeva Institute, I think, in Houston. I took a 100-hour class with her because it was AM approved at the time. And as I'm sitting there, she pulled out Tina Davies microblades. And she was saying, Yeah, these are the ones that we used to use. Now we use Tina Davies. They're a little bit more expensive. So if you're just starting out, there's no shame in the game if you want to use these other ones. And it was like, you get the reusable handle that you're supposed to auto-clave, and then the little tiny micro blade you put in there. You know?
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Tina Davies: Yeah, twisted up.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah. She was like, These are better because they're completely disposable and it's got the dough foot on it and whatever, but blah, blah, blah. And I said, Oh, okay. So this is a brand name. And she said, Yes, Tina Davies has... I don't know, she came out with these, August or something like that. It wasn't that long because this was in January of '17. So they hadn't been out for very long. And I said.
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Tina Davies: Oh.
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Victoria Racca: That's a person. And she said, Yeah, Tina Davies, she lives in... I don't even remember what she said and blah, blah, blah. And I said, You know her? And she said, Yeah, I know her. I met her at a conference, and I couldn't believe it. Didn't even know who you were. But I'm looking at a very polished, very finished product, and I'm thinking to myself, This is a lot of money. And you know this person? This is like telling me you know the guy who owns Nike? You know this person? She was like.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, everybody knows Tina. She's very approachable.
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Victoria Racca: I met her at a conference years ago. I couldn't believe it. I've always known that you were a person, but it's very much the brand is what's represented. The brand is what's everywhere. So would you say that's maybe like... I don't know. What's the most common misconception about Tina? That could be about Tina, the person or Tina, the brand.
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Tina Davies: I don't hear that many, but when I do hear something, let's say I'm talking to you now and during our first Convo, people were like, Oh, my God, you're really easy to talk to. I'm so surprised you're friendly and approachable. I hear that a lot. So I think that that must be something. But like I said, I'm just like you guys. I'm a PMU nerd.
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Victoria Racca: I think that's an easy trap to fall into. It's almost like people say, don't meet your heroes. When someone becomes bigger than themselves, you became a whole brand, and you're a gigantic part of this industry. You are not Miss Tina Davies. You are the Tina Davies brand. You become bigger in their brain than the person standing in front of us, which by the way, Tina, how tall are you? Like five, six?
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Tina Davies: No, I'm five two. I'm a tate size.
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Victoria Racca: I'm five foot, so everybody's tall to me. But I was going to say you're not even that much taller than me. She's very small. She's just a lady. Actually, I saw you getting out of, I guess, a van from the airport or something. You were getting all your bags out when we were at, what was the name of that hotel? We're at Ponce Blue. And my husband and I were walking to Walgreens. We thought to go and get some alcohol. I didn't realize in other states you have to go to a liquor store. In Louisiana, liquor is at every store. So we're just like, Let's go and get some liquor. The price is at this bar, outrageous. And as we're walking, I saw you getting out. I looked at my husband and I said, That's Tina fucking David. And he was like, Who is Tina fucking David? But yeah, even seeing you in front of me and seeing that you're a real person in the flesh, you have my height, my size pretty much-.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, I'm dealing with bags falling.
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Victoria Racca: Over, like I- Literally. Literally. And both running around. I was like, Oh, yeah. It was like seeing a celebrity. And I don't really get excited about celebrities. But I was like, Oh, look. Oh, my God, that's amazing. I knew you were a real person, but you were a myth in my mind. I feel like that's something that a lot of people buy into, whether they do it purpose or not, you start to think of someone as way up there because you see their name brand everywhere. You see the marketing, the messaging everywhere.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, for sure.
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Victoria Racca: What do you find most difficult about being the mom, being the brand, being the person?
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Tina Davies: First of all, the mom guilt just never goes away. Oh, good. That is the hardest part, is that guilt. Did you ever talk to your mom about that? The only thing you can do is you can temper it. The only thing you can do is you can just balance it out like, okay, tomorrow or this weekend, let's go do this, kids. And the hard stuff is just as an entrepreneur now, you depend on your phone so much and all this communication. All this stuff is always coming in at you all the time. I think that's such a hard part because I just need to handle this. And then you're supposed to be at the pool and you're doing this.
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Victoria Racca: Yes. Oh, my God, you're so right. I'll be like 30-minute breaks. I'll be in the pool for 30 minutes, and then I'll get out, and I'll get them something to drink, and then I'm checking my phone, checking my email, I'm answering someone, whatever. You're exactly right. You are in the unique position, though, of having parents who were also entrepreneurs. So do you ever go to them and say, How did you deal with this? Or even sometimes, I've heard this from other people, even though they didn't apologize, that I forgive you moment because I see it from your side now. They say, As you become a parent, your parents become humans to you, not just your parents.
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Tina Davies: Like in Peanuts, where they're a wap.
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Victoria Racca: Wap, wap, wap.
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Tina Davies: Did.
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Victoria Racca: You ever go to your mom and say, Hey, how did you deal with this?
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Tina Davies: No, I never asked her. I just saw what they were doing, and I know it was out of necessity. So you have to be very understanding of it. And there's a lot of things that you don't agree with what they do. My kids are not going to agree with what I do. So for me, I just really try… What I want to do different for my parents is carve out that extra time. Where my parents were literally working 24/7, where I'm like, Okay, I'm 70, 30. So 70, I'm really focused on the work, and 30, it's like, Let's have our vacations. My parents, they only took one day off Christmas. One day of 365 days. I have weekends off. So weekends, we still do stuff.
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Victoria Racca: So.
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Tina Davies: I'm not bad at that.
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Victoria Racca: What's your favorite? Yeah. I think we all are guilty of that. Whether you run a business or not, people are glued to their phones, especially in 2023. What would you say is your favorite, Hey, let's take the kids and go do this thing? Is there an annual tradition? Is there something that you like to do most weekends?
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Tina Davies: We have a lot of traditions and we do the holiday and stuff. But for us, really, it's just dinner time. It's just like dinner time where we connect. There's no phones. We have very transparent conversations, and everyone gets to talk and have a voice. And that was very different from how I was raised. When I was raised, it was like the parents are the boss. Kids have to listen blindly and follow and not even raise any concerns. So the way I have with my kids is like, we talk about everything. My 17-year-old son still comes to me, hugs me, kisses me like, There is no affection in my family. There was never even an I love you. And because of that, there was a lot of distance. So that's just part of being like a different generation. I just didn't want that to go forward with my kids. And I know that I'm a lot older.
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Victoria Racca: That's probably also why you don't go to your parents and say, Hey, how did you do it with this? Or, Hey, how should I? Or, What do you think? Because there's just no precedent for it.
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Tina Davies: Yeah. That makes sense? Yeah, it isn't. For me at PMU World Live, I was giving my keynote speech the next day, and I decided I wanted to bring Brooke on stage. I said, Will you come on stage and say something, a few words? Because what I wanted to normalize for the women there, a lot of people there was like, It's okay to involve your family, your kids, and you don't have to feel guilty because I lived with that guilt for so long. I was trying to put my kids in all these camps and then buy them things because then maybe they'll appreciate the gifts I buy them because I work so hard and whatnot. But at the end of the day, they just want to be a part of your life.
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Victoria Racca: They want to.
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Tina Davies: Be involved. They want to be told to my way or the highway or go to camp or just... I wanted to normalize that, so I brought her on stage just to say a few words and to say, It's okay. I'm bringing her to events because to be honest with you, all us females, entrepreneurs, we have kids. If you could just fold them into your business, if other leaders can show, Hey, I'm doing this. They're actually getting incredible education by watching you. Kids don't listen to what you say. They listen to you. They watch what you do. They watch what you do. Yes, great. That's what I'm trying to give, share that message to so many female entrepreneurs. It's okay to do that. Don't feel bad. Forget the guilt. It is what it is. It's not going to change. You're not going to all of a sudden stop and be like, Stay at home, mom. You're not. That's not who you are. No.
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Victoria Racca: You won't be fulfilled.
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Tina Davies: No. Just fold them in and you guys get the balance. But it's not a big deal.
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Victoria Racca: What does that look like? What does that look like in the future? Are you carving out a place for Brooke in your business 20 years from now?
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Tina Davies: Only if they want to. But for now, they're like, Help Mommy pack these boxes. I put numbing cream on Brooke's lips the other day. I'm like, Try this out. How do you feel? She's like, She's trying it out. I should have given her a sample. What do you think? I try it on my husband. Try this out. What do you think? Give me feedback.
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Victoria Racca: What numbing cream was that? Well, I'm going.
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Tina Davies: To share it with you once I have it. Hey, why did you switch- I'm always working on projects. I have projects that I have in my back pocket from five years ago, I'm still working on.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah. We all have those like, the idea that haunts you. It's just there. You know that you have that action on it. I was just talking to someone about that before you and I hopped on this call, actually. Someone saying, I really thought this was an ace in the hole. I have to bring this to fruition. But a girlfriend of mine told me it was worthless. It's useless. I don't know. Now I'm having second thoughts. Tarrin, darling spoke about that on the first episode of last season's podcast, where she said she had this amazing idea for whatever it is, six or eight-hour live color theory class where you can ask Tarrin questions in real time, and she's showing you a presentation. And somebody told her not to do it. They said, That's a waste of your time. No one is going to want to sit in front of a computer for six or eight hours and talk about color theory. You're wasting your time. I wouldn't even invest in that. And she actually didn't do it for a while. And after a year or two, she was like, No, this is killing me. It's in the back of my brain.
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Victoria Racca: I have to do it. And of course, it made her more famous than she ever could have been, and it helped more people than ever. Matter of fact, in one of her very first videos, I'm standing there with a baby on my hip going, , . And one of her first classes. And I sat there for six or eight hours with a baby. You see me feed the baby. You see me change the baby. I'm just... Yeah.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, you're just on mute. You're like shouting over there going, Yeah, exactly.
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Victoria Racca: Exactly. No, I'm all about that. Chase whatever the next idea is in your head, chase it down until you decide whether or not it's going to work out. Why did you-.
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Tina Davies: You probably know that you have to have a lot of streams going. Because this will drop out, this will drop out, this will not come to fruition, this partner is going to bail on you. And so you always have to have a lot of plates in there.
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Victoria Racca: Don't get me started on partners.
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Tina Davies: Oh, my gosh.
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Victoria Racca: Tell me, though, why the swap from I Love Ink, which is more of a hybrid, right?
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Tina Davies: Yeah, it's organic. Yeah, it lasts.
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Victoria Racca: A long time. It's pure organic.
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Tina Davies: There's some inorganic ingredients in it, but mainly organic, it stays a long time.
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Victoria Racca: And then now we have this idea for fade. Because earlier you pricked my ear when you said, That's what we need. We need something that's going to stay in the skin just like tattoo ink. And now we've got fade going on. So where's the bridge there? What was the thought process?
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Tina Davies: Well, the thing is that I live ink performed so incredibly well that people were not even getting touch-ups after two or three years, and it was lasting too long and a lot of feedback. This is where we learned so much for product development is we have to rely on the product feedback from artists. Last too long. But mainly the reason why I came out with a less longevity type of line was because my grand vision for the industry is to make permanent makeup the makeup of the future. To make it the makeup of the future. People often think like, Oh, permanent makeup is so saturated, so popular now, all that. But there is at least half of the people sitting on the sidelines, at least half that are scared of permanent makeup. They're scared of this, this, this.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah.
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Tina Davies: Okay, because it's a tattoo and they've seen bad jobs and whatnot. So in order to make permanent makeup the makeup of the future, we need to have, I would say, 80% acceptance of the procedure. Anybody's like, Hey, I'm going to get my hair done, my nail is done. So until it is people's, their biggest fear is the inflexibility, the permanence of it. So if we could make it where it's like, Hey, it lasts only a few years and it still looks good, no rainbow eyebrows, okay? No rainbow eyebrows. No rainbow. Rainbow by Tina in 2026. But sometimes I could try on and see if I like it, see if I like the shape, then we can get people more comfortable with getting it and not being scared of it. So my grand vision is to make permanent makeup, the makeup of the future, and to have the product so good because that's what's last in the skin, right? That the products are so good that everyone is now saying, Sure, I'll get it done, just like I get my highlights. People are not doubtful of highlights, but they're very doubtful of this, this, this, because they've seen bad jobs.
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Tina Davies: They've seen turned gray. They've seen bad lips. So that's my vision. I think we're going to get there in less than five years. So Fade is my owed to that vision to give the flexibility. There's still I Love Inc. I Love Inc. Is still there for people that have different needs. I always say I love ink is like getting married. Long term commitment, hard to change, last forever. And then fade is dating. It's flexible. You could switch it. You can change the shape, change the color. It's not a super long term commitment. Fades out of the skin to a lighter color in about 18 months.
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Victoria Racca: That would be amazing. I think that if industry wide, we could tell our clients, Hey, you don't have to worry about it long term. This will be gone. If styles change, if your preference changes, if your face dramatically changes, don't worry about it. You can always put on a different color, a different... Because don't we all get those clients who just don't understand? No matter how many times you tell them it's a tattoo, I can't do that. They say, Hey, I'm ready for my annual touch up. I just want to let you know I'm a redhead now. Can we change it? No, girl. It doesn't work like that. You have brown, black eyebrows because that's what your brow hair looks like. Yeah, well, I've died at red. Can you change? No, I can't tattoo red over black. What are you talking about?
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Tina Davies: So.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah, I think that you're really onto something. I'm really excited about it. I haven't tried Fade yet, but I need to get some. I think in 2024, I'm going to start using it so that by December or so I can say, Oh, yeah, I can see how these look a year out. Right now, I've been waiting for someone to post long term results. I haven't seen them yet, but they should be coming up soon because you're almost at a year, right?
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Tina Davies: Yeah, that's right. Mineral slash inorganic pigments are not new to the industry.
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Victoria Racca: They're not new. No, I've been using biotech for a while.
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Tina Davies: And I like them. Yeah, they've been around.
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Victoria Racca: They seem comparable, though, right?
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Tina Davies: Yeah, they've been around. So Fade is just an extension of that option because I have I Love Inc, lasts too long. And also on the artist's side, you're turning clients away and it's so hard to build the business. And if you don't see your clients for two or three years, that's not recurring revenue. And also that client can wander somewhere else.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah, or forget about it. No, you know what? It took forever for these to fade out before I need it again. I don't even want to go through it again. I'm not going to bother with it again.
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Tina Davies: I am seeing a lot of that drop off that way. Yeah, it's good for everybody. I am seeing a lot of everybody.
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Victoria Racca: I'm not taking new clients at the moment. I will be for quarter one, and that's it, because otherwise I'm on the conference circuit, so I can't really adhere to a schedule. But when I am seeing just annuals throughout the rest of the year, I am seeing a big drop off in those, especially in 2023, which was a hard year for everyone. But some people saying, I really don't have the money right now. Other people saying, I don't need a touchup right now. I think that was because of you, you bitch. Because of I love ink.
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Tina Davies: No, it's like a light bulb that never burns out. Yeah.
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Victoria Racca: It was like, Okay, well, I'm glad that you're happy with your eyebrows, but I have a business to run. That's when I started looking towards inorganics. Then now that you've come out with this line, I'm very intrigued and very interested in it for sure. I think a lot of people are, but they're just wondering, first, it's not through PermaBland, and that's what your original deal was through. Everyone's speculating, is there beef? Is there not beef? Because everybody knows Ruben really yelled at PermaBland very publicly. They're wondering, is it an artist versus PermaBland issue? I think the second thing is people saying, Okay, well, what's different about this one than other inorganics? Because inorganics have been around for some time. Do you want to speak to any of that?
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Tina Davies: Definitely, we can go into it. I don't want this to be like a product push or anything, but if you guys are looking for a solution to offer to your clients, definitely. Fade is my to a more temporary, not permanent, permanent solution. As far as PermaBland goes, PermaBland is my partner for now over five years. We work so well together. We didn't divorce. We didn't break up. There's no ugly thing. If anything, I always develop products with the main goal of the customers and the customers needs and then the artist needs. Always customers needs first and the artist needs second, right? Because we work for our customers at the end of the day.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah.
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Tina Davies: And as far as a permanent blend goes, I have products with them, but I don't keep all my eggs in one basket. So I make products with different manufacturers, whoever can give me the best product, that's what I go with.
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Victoria Racca: So let's put that one to rest right now. You heard it here first, Tina Davies, Permabland. There's no beef, you guys, Facebook, forums, there's no beef. It's simply just a matter of who's going to make the best product for your clients.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, I talk to them almost every day.
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Victoria Racca: It seemed that way when you were talking about it earlier.
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Tina Davies: That's one thing that's really important I want to speak to is about business hygiene. You've got to have excellent business hygiene, especially when you're working, you're collaborating with others, the communication has to be open, honest, tight, and it has to be structured too. That's one huge transition that I wasn't used to. Working as an artist, you're working by the seat of your pants. You don't have really tight processes and systems and you're like, Okay, yeah, we'll do it tomorrow. Or it's very loose. And when you're running an organization, you're working with different partners and you're managing product line, supply chain, logistics and whatnot. Everything has to be organized, detailed, strategized, planned for.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah, that's how you get predictability in your business, right? Stability.
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Tina Davies: Yeah.
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Victoria Racca: I can appreciate that. I've certainly been watching. All the people that I've spoken to on this podcast so far have been successful professionals. One of the things that I noticed is that some people are still of the entrepreneurial mindset as an artist, and then some people come from the school of business first. And I am neither. I'm really good at just chatting people up and making inappropriate jokes at the wrong time. And that's what people like about me. So am I the best artist in the world? No, I'm a pretty good one. I'm not the best. I'm not going up against fleek brows or something. I know my lane. And I am no Tina Davis. When you told me like, No, we have to have a pre-meeting. I called Danny Trane crying, and I was like, What does this mean? He was like, No, Tina just likes things predictable. So she's going to want to know what exactly is the format of the podcast? What can she expect that she can prep for it? Actually, doesn't that make the most sense? But no one's asked me that so far in this podcast. I took notes.
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Victoria Racca: I took notes. I said, You know what? That's actually probably a really smart way to do things to make sure that we're not saying like, Oh, was that today? Sorry. That thing. It happens more often than you think.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, it's more just getting organized, really organized. I've been forced to do that because I paid the where I wasn't organized. My business partner, Luke, my husband, he's always from the beginning, he was always on me. He's like, Not everything could be you think. Where's the data? Where's the data to back this up? He's like, Where's the proposal? I'm like, Okay.
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Victoria Racca: What was the biggest lesson? What was the biggest one where you were like, Okay, yes, I need to get on board with the organizational train?
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Tina Davies: I like doing that. The biggest lesson is the more organized, the more prepared, the more everything is spelled out, the faster you guys are going to row that boat together. And if you don't, oh, my God, twists and turns and it's so much more painful. And then women, we get very emotional. We get frustrated. Then we blow up and melt down.
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Victoria Racca: Oh, I do. I'm a big blow-upper. I hold it together for a long, long, long time, and then I go home and I yell at everybody. I just absolutely lose it. And it's not good, but nobody will give me any diazepam. So it's the way that things are working for now, working on it. But I feel very called out right now. That's exactly right. I get very emotional about it. I have a whole meltdown.
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Tina Davies: I hear you.
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Victoria Racca: Our property taxes came in, and I opened it up, and I sat down at the kitchen table. It was a Sunday morning that I opened this and looked at it. And my husband's going through his... He works in the oil field. He builds explosives. He always has these logs of how deep down something was when they exploded it or whatever. He's going through these logs and making his notations, and he's a nervous person. He's very analytical about everything. I'm always like, Everything's fine. I got this. I opened up.
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Tina Davies: The property tag and I was like, I'm legally required to give five away. I don't understand how anybody makes money in business.
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Victoria Racca: I'm just going on and on. I look at my husband in the sheer terror on his face like, Are we bankrupt? I was like, No, we're not. I can pay this, but I'm upset right now. You are exactly right.
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Tina Davies: Seriously, men are from Mars and women are from Venus, and we come together some magically magical way to actually make sense.
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Victoria Racca: That's so funny. Oh, my gosh. Well, Tina, are you going to be promoted? I'm sure your pro team will be posting these one year healed results shortly, yes?
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Tina Davies: Yeah.
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Victoria Racca: For sure. Where should people keep an eye out for this?
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Tina Davies: Instagram? I'm on Tina Davies professional. So @TinaDaviesprofessional is the business type of account, and I have my own, which is @Tina Davies. I'm so busy on the Tina Davies portion that I don't really post to my own personal very much. And to be honest, it's a full-time job. I can't do two full-time jobs anymore.
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Victoria Racca: It's true. Tina, real quick, in 2024, where can people.
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Tina Davies: See you? Okay, so you know what's happening in North America that I noticed? There's these PMU competitions now. Have you seen that now? Yes.
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Victoria Racca: More and more. Oh, yeah, I met you at one.
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Tina Davies: Yes. So in March, I'm at the Brawista competition that's being held literally in South Florida, like Miami. I know competition is so daunting, but at the same time, it's a networking opportunity, and it's a way to maybe get placed.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah.
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Tina Davies: Yeah, so I'll be there. So that's where someone can see me in the short term. March.
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Victoria Racca: Miami. Yeah, and don't count those out because listen, I have no business entering any competitions, okay? I was just a spectator at Woolap, and Tina was a judge at WOLOP. And look, we're hanging out right now. So you never know what networking can come from that.
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Tina Davies: Guys, go to one of any year. I don't care what it is. Go to one. You'd be like, Wow, so many Brow Sisters out there, my tribe, my people, and you make those connections. This is not going to happen with you sitting at your studio. It's just not going to happen.
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Victoria Racca: People with.
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Tina Davies: People they like, know, and trust. And if they don't know you, they're not going to work with you.
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Victoria Racca: I agree. Well, Tina, I now know you, and I like you. So I will be seeing you. I don't know if I'll see you in March, but I'll be seeing you, I'm sure, sometime this year, maybe at Christmas conference. Yeah, I know that it's yours. And to everyone else. Yeah, I know that yours.
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Tina Davies: I just heard about that. I'm like, wow, that's so cool.
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Victoria Racca: Yeah, we're planning 2024 right now, so I'll send you some details. But for everyone else who's interested in meeting Tina, or seeing Tina and all of her pro team, head over to @tinadayviesprofessional or meet her @brawista down in, I think, Miami. Is it Miami? Yeah, in Miami in March. Thank you so much for carving some time out of your very busy day, Tina. I really appreciate it. I know it's not easy, ruling the world and the house and setting aside quiet time to chat with me. So I appreciate your time.
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Tina Davies: Oh, you're welcome. It's been a pleasure. So nice to connect with you here.
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Victoria Racca: All right, you guys. I will see you next week on.
